1994 Cent Reverse Error?

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  1. tommy cent

    tommy cent Active Member

    thanks for pointing that out.
     

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  3. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    Well, from the coinauctionshelp link:
    Is the anomaly on your coin raised or incuse? It looks raised to me...
     
  4. tommy cent

    tommy cent Active Member

    its raised. so if its not a dropped letter or a double strike then what is it?
    cause thats definitely part of the S and T and now we know that
    that error under the S matches the O from Of.
     
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  5. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    when doing a overlay it is easy to make the overlay to match up with only one thing. see if the overlay will match up with what you think is a S and this other thing at the same time. I hope you don't get mad at me for trying to tell you what I think is wrong with your coin. It sure looks like plating bubbles to me. one other thing that can do this is when part of a die breaks and get's clashed between the dies and leaves impressions of letters and the shape of the broken die chip , your coin doesn't look like this happened.these zinc cents are too much trouble and like I have said many times are too confusing to the new collectors.
     
  6. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    Can you provide an example of a dropped element that shows as something that is raised? What a dropped element is, is a hardened piece of grease or debris that is stuck in the recesses of the die, which is then dislodged and struck, producing an incuse element. I can't really think of a situation in which a solid piece of something is struck into a coin and results in a RAISED anomaly, can you?

    From error-ref.com...
    Absolutely no mention of any dropped element resulting in a raised letter.
     
  7. tommy cent

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    Im not mad at all. but seriously you cant see thats a S And T cause its clear as day
     
  8. tommy cent

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  9. tommy cent

    tommy cent Active Member

    sorry but those 2 letters are not plating bubbles if You cant see that The top of the
    S and T then I dont know what to tell you cause its clear as day like seriously!
     
  10. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    try your overlay and see if it perfectly matches what you think is a S and T. this still don't look anything like extra letters to me but I'm just looking at photos.
     
  11. tommy cent

    tommy cent Active Member

    Yeah and a picture says a thousand words also. either You cant see
    or You just see what You want to see.
     
  12. tommy cent

    tommy cent Active Member

    then this is a dropped letter cause when I flip it over the Y should but where Lincoln is.
    and its INCUSE and its slightly crooked.
     

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  13. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    No, that is the result of a die clash...if you do an overlay of the obverse and reverse, that is approximately where the Y of LIBERTY from the obverse lines up.
    http://www.maddieclashes.com/adc-1c-1984-06.html
     
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  14. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    yes there is no doubt about it the Y is from a clashed die

    EDIT; I'm changing what I first said because I thought this was the same coin as in the first post.
     
  15. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    Well maybe I'm going blind . send Wexler a email with a couple photos and maybe he can tell you what this is then you can know for sure . then let the good folks on the forum know what it is.
     
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  16. tommy cent

    tommy cent Active Member

    Will do.. but for future reference can drop letters appear anywhere on the coin
    even on the rim?
     
  17. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    yes a dropped letter can appear about anywhere on a coin , I'm not sure about on the rim but this may be possible. usually the incuse letters on the coins rim is from being bumped against another coin. real dropped letter coins are very scarce and hard to find. in a lifetime of searching coins I have only found three of them and bought two off ebay that are real beautys. like non cents told you is how the dropped letter coins are created. a lot of times when a clogged letter falls loose from the die it breaks apart into tiny pieces and never makes the incuse letter. This may be what makes them so scarce.
     
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  18. tommy cent

    tommy cent Active Member

    Thanks appreciate Your input.
     
  19. jay4202472000

    jay4202472000 Well-Known Member

    Got an idea here. I didn't realize there was a clash. Does the obverse show signs of the clash? There seems to be a lot going on with this coin. Is there any signs of more than one clash? I'm just guessing here, but if those are the S & T of STATES, it could be the results of a counter clash. Here are two links to info on counter clashes. Check them out. I wish you the best because these are ultra cool. I haven't found one yet.

    http://www.maddieclashes.com/Type_I_and_II_counter_clash.html

    http://www.error-ref.com/Counterclash_Type_I.html
     
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  20. silentnviolent

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    I'd really like to see an overlay of the entire reverse. If the overlay shows that what looks like the section of the O also matches with what looks like the sections of S and T, I think it's a winner.
     
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  21. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    jay I'm pretty sure the photo of the die clash coin is a different coin. I told him about the same thing as you did and erased it when I found out the clash coin was maybe a different one than the first post one. I am the one that owns one of the rare counter clash nickle coins on the maddieclash website , I also thought maybe a counterclash but see no signs of a clash at all on the op's coin. counteclash coins are really scarce because the multiple clashes is so obvious the mint workers can easily detect them and the ones found are destroyed.
     
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