1793 Flowing Hair & Wreath Large Cent

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by cti4sw, Oct 8, 2013.

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Should I have this graded?

  1. Yes - please post who (PCGS, NGC, ANACS)

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  2. No, leave it ungraded

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  1. cti4sw

    cti4sw Junior Member

    Hello everyone! It's been a while since I've last posted. I took up metal detecting a few years ago, joined TreasureNet, and made my own website (www.digginghistory.net) to support my new hobby. Love the new site setup, by the way. Very smooth :)

    Anywho, this past weekend I found one of the Holy Grail coins, a 1793 Flowing Hair large cent with the reverse wreath and vine & bars on the edge. I was wondering if anyone here could assist me with IDing the variety.
     

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  3. Peter T Davis

    Peter T Davis Hammer at the Ready Moderator

    Nice find! I don't know the variety myself, but was just wondering if you were considering to submit it to a slabbing service to have it graded or just to authenticate and attribute it? Just thinking with the later you might have better luck and it might depend which you submit to as well.
     
  4. cti4sw

    cti4sw Junior Member

    I have considered it, but I don't want the "Environmental Damage" tag. I've been told PCGS won't grade it but ANACS & NGC might. I have zero experience with getting coins slabbed and several of my fellow TNetters have recommended leaving it unslabbed. Any further grading advice is appreciated - I was thinking of slabbing to have it attributed at least but idk if I have the money for that.

    EDIT - I've been told the wreath / vine & bars edge is the Sheldon-8 variety, Rarity - 3.
     
  5. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I absolutely would have it both conserved and slabbed. Of course its going to get an environmental damage slab, but the real reason to send it in would be conservation and authentication. These bring large money regardless the condition if proven to be real. They have been forging these for a very long time sir, so many people, especially ones who wish to fill a hole in their type sets, will be more concerned with authenticity than anything else if they are going to lay out large money for one.

    Take this from a member who rails against slabbing all of the time, and cracks coins out of slabs regularly. Your situation is a perfect one in which TPG can help.
     
  6. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Great find. Find some money and get the coin slabbed. And it will get the environmental damage with any of the TPG's.
     
  7. Byron L Reed

    Byron L Reed Junior Member

    Do not concern yourself with the ED designation. That is far less of a consequence for early copper that other series. To anyone purchasing the coin, the damage will be obvious whether it is slabbed or not. The value of the authentication and attribution is considerable, though.
     
  8. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    Beautiful find, don't worry about the details grade. Get it slabbed.
     
  9. cti4sw

    cti4sw Junior Member

    Are there any of you in the southeastern PA area that can help me with slabbing?

    And what does TPG mean?
     
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2013
  10. jester3681

    jester3681 Exonumia Enthusiast

    I'm in Columbus, Ohio and would be happy to help with PCGS or NGC grading. Let me know - I've helped other users on CT with grading as well.

    TPG = Third Party Grader
     
  11. vlaha

    vlaha Respect. The. Hat.

    Third Party Grading service.
     
  12. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    John (jester3681) is a great guy to go to if you don't have a PCGS membership fee. He kept me posted on the progress of my coin every step of the way when I submitted through him.
     
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  13. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    You were told correctly, S-8 R-3
     
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  14. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Tell that to my wife............
     
  15. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    .....I just spit coffee through my nose a little. :)
     
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  16. cti4sw

    cti4sw Junior Member

    You think if I crushed up some Viagra or Cialis into a glass of water, it would clean the ED off this coin?
     
  17. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    If it keeps cleaning the coin for more than 4 hours, consult your nearest numismatic pharmacist immediately.
     
  18. cti4sw

    cti4sw Junior Member

  19. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

    what an amazing find. get it slabbed PCGS or NGC for authentication.
     
  20. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank


    Ken, Ken, Ken................


    No comment.
     
  21. Lord Geoff

    Lord Geoff Active Member

    This is fantastic. Would you mind briefly describing the find? When you first looked at it, when you first realized how old it was, what it was like in general?
     
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