13th century silver british penny

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  1. Nevadabell

    Nevadabell A picture of me.

    Yeah.
     
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  3. Ripley

    Ripley Senior Member


    $10.49
     
  4. enochian

    enochian silver eater

    cool the only two medevil coins i have are both silver the other hasent been identified here other then being from the ottoman empire . I realy like how this one is presented with the history ect
     
  5. Nevadabell

    Nevadabell A picture of me.

    I do have two genuine copper Roman coins.
     
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  6. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer


    The age old argument...I'm not sure what the word guys consider ancient, but most agree coins made 600 BC-476 AD are ancient, 476-1453 are medieval, and anything after the fall of the Byzantine empire to the Ottoman Turks is considered modern. These lines are not drawn distinctly at these dates all over the world, but hold well for Europe. (Kinda.) Personally I consider anything before 1453 to be Ancient and Medieval is completely subjective and Eurocentric. IMHO.
     
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  7. dougsmit

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    This may draw laughter from those who know all about these but I'd say the packaging on this coin is a good deal better than we have come to expect from such items. The text explains a number for things that could help you interpret your coin which, IMHO, really is not a bad example of these usually crude little things. The face is clear and all of the legend can be read with less added imagination than common on these. On point you might need to know is that many letters were run together to the point that one stroke is part of two letters. For example the city name is abbreciated CANT with the C (closed on the right as was common in the day) before the cross arm on the left and ANT filling the entire fourth (upper left) quadrant. Notice how the right side of the A is shared with the left side of the N. WILLEM occupies the two right quadrants. If I were complaining about anything on the reverse in might be that the N of ON looks more like OI. The obverse is mostly there but not as bold.

    Ripley's coin is NOT like yours. It is what is termed a 'short cross' penny because the cross does not cut through the legend but remains in the center of the coin. Your packaging explains why the cross was important in the day and the change to a long cross probably made that purpose easier to execute. Ripley's legend looks like it starts with WIL so it may be WILLEM also but this coin is clear on the ON (now right since the reverse is shown upside down) followed by LVN (London). Ignoring the hole, it is not such a bad coin either. Seriously, we see a lot of these that are just scrap silver but anyone that melts one of these (especially considering how light they are) should be beheaded (an appropriate end for those who messed with the Royal coinage, I suspect?). You card suggests the coin should weigh 22 grains which would be 1/20 ounce. Allowing for the likelihood that your coin is a bit under weight from wear, a melt value of about $1 would be close. I personally would bid 25X but I hope you will keep this coin and make it one of many oldies that some of us find a lot more interesting that those Lincolns that got away.
     
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  8. Nevadabell

    Nevadabell A picture of me.

    One of my coins is from about 200 AD, the other is from around 350 AD.
     
  9. enochian

    enochian silver eater

    i have two romans as well not sure the metal but there not silver
     
  10. dougsmit

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    Most terms used by coin collectors are a bit subjective (grades being the worst) and the number of people still taught in school that Europe is all that is worth studying is pretty sad. Add to your collection a half dozen coins from various 13th century places and see who was technologically advanced and who was not.
     
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  11. Nevadabell

    Nevadabell A picture of me.

    Yeah.
     
  12. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Everyone needs a couple of Romans...;)
     
  13. enochian

    enochian silver eater

    its from the postal commemorative society(not sure what this is) its solid black on the out side says 13th century English penny in old English and has a cross and folds down into something that reminds me of a bill holder If any one wants to see the cover ill scan it. Taking the baby out to the play ground

    I wonder how much it cost from the postal commemorative society when it was put together and how long ago it was
     
  14. Nevadabell

    Nevadabell A picture of me.

    I'm not sure either. Maybe they're the same group who constructed those 1967 collectors' sets.
     
  15. Ripley

    Ripley Senior Member

    So DS you think my penny is from William the Conqueror of Rufus ???
     
  16. Nevadabell

    Nevadabell A picture of me.

    I sure hope so!
     
  17. enochian

    enochian silver eater

    is william a moneyer i know there were at least two moneyers named william was one of them the one mentioned
     
  18. Nevadabell

    Nevadabell A picture of me.

    Yes.
     
  19. enochian

    enochian silver eater

    whats the 67 collector set im assuming these sets are from europe
     
  20. Nevadabell

    Nevadabell A picture of me.

    The 1967 collector set was a group of coins assembled circa 1970 for collectors that contained the 1/2 penny, penny, 3 pence, 6 pence, shilling, 2 shilling, half crown. They're different from the officially issued 1967 set.
     
  21. enochian

    enochian silver eater

    actual doing a search of postal commerative society brings up alot of us coins and stamps
     
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