Krause Electronic

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  1. cplradar

    cplradar Talmud Chuchum

    Does anyone have an electronic copy of Krause?
     
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  3. Dave M

    Dave M Francophiliac

    Krause publishes a ton of books... any particular one you're asking about?
     
  4. cplradar

    cplradar Talmud Chuchum

    The international cat.
     
  5. Dave M

    Dave M Francophiliac

    I have two, the Standard Catalog of World Paper Money vol 12, and the Standard Catalog of World Paper Money, Modern Issues, vol 14. Neither is the current edition, but they are very handy.
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

  7. sonlarson

    sonlarson World Silver Collector

    I have the 2010 version on DVD. Anything in particular you are looking for?
     
  8. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I have the 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th, and 21st century editions plus the 1901- date circulating world coins, Unusual coins of the world, and the General and Modern paper money catalogs on my laptop. That's nine Krause catalogs covering close to five hundred years. They sure weigh a lot less this way.
     
  9. Detecto92

    Detecto92 Well-Known Member

    I got all 3 of mine for free through a file sharing website. Call me what you want, but I was not about to pay $45 a pop for them.
     
  10. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Yeah, I know. Some people also steal food, or cars, because they are unwilling or unable to pay what the seller wants, and yet "must" have the item. It is interesting that not many people would steal a printed Krause because they didn't quite feel like paying - but a digital copy, sure, who cares ... :mad:

    Christian
     
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  11. Detecto92

    Detecto92 Well-Known Member

    But according to Stuart P. Green, a Rutgers Law School professor and expert on theft law, copyright infringement isn’t really “stealing” at all.

    The crux of Green’s argument — which mimics that of many who have discussed this issue with any amount of critical thinking in the past — is that, in order to actually “steal” something, you must deprive the owner of whatever that thing is. If you take my bicycle, then you have it, and I don’t. But if you download a song off The Pirate Bay, you’ve simply made a copy — now there are two bicycles. (Or thousands or millions.)

    Read more: http://www.digitaltrends.com/music/illegal-file-sharing-isnt-stealing-heres-why/#ixzz2aT2Vt2r1
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    I'm sure most of you taped songs off the radio onto a cassette as a kid. That's not really legally kosher either...
     
  12. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    You're depriving them of the money that they should earn by selling it.
     
  13. Detecto92

    Detecto92 Well-Known Member

    Actually, one could argue they are depriving me of hard-earned income by charging such an ungodly high amount for it.

    Most publishers want just as much for a book as they do a digital copy. Paper costs serious money. Yet you pay $15 for a physical book, and $10 for the digital edition.

    What are you exactly paying for?

    It cost pennies to publish a book digitally.

    Sure, there is the initial cost, but the per-copy cost is next to nothing.

    The author tends not to make much, in fact most authors make about 10% per copy sold.

    You don't have actual paper you can hold in your hand, you have organized bits of 1s and 0s on your computer display.

    That sure is a lot of money to pay for an intangible asset that becomes completely worthless once your hard drive takes a dump.
     
  14. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    "Most publishers want just as much for a book as they do a digital copy. Paper costs serious money. Yet you pay $15 for a physical book, and $10 for the digital edition.

    What are you exactly paying for?"

    You are paying for convenience and portability.
     
  15. Detecto92

    Detecto92 Well-Known Member

    ..and people pay dearly for it. A 20oz bottle of coke is $1.79 here. Yet I can buy a TWO LITER for 99 cents. 3 times as much soda for 80 cents less. People blow 80 cents more so they can conveniently carry around around 40 ounces less of soda with them. Makes no sense.

    You know what get's me? People actually PAY for bottled water. I could never understand that. I carry a thick plastic water bottle with me and fill it at the drinking fountain.
     
  16. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    Did you read the entire op-ed that you quoted from? In it, the author (Stuart Green) actually does write that people should pay for downloading information from the web. His argument is one of semantics over classifying this behavior as theft.
     
  17. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    They can charge you whatever they want. You are under no obligation to purchase it. But apparently you want it so much that you think it's ok to obtain it through other means simply because "it costs too much".

    You say the authors get 10% of each copy sold, and cite various other numbers. So what? It is still THEIR earnings, and if what you say is true about how much the author gets, then by illegally downloading it, they are getting even less money.
     
  18. Detecto92

    Detecto92 Well-Known Member

    Here is another good read, while you're at it.

    http://torrentfreak.com/artists-dont-think-piracy-hurts-them-financially-110412/

     
  19. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    And I am sure that Krause is as well-known and as-often downloaded as Jay-Z's latest songs...
     
  20. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Could it be that the world is not catering to your every whim and want? Not having the world acknowledge your self-proclaimed "greatness"? Not being handed wealth and fame simply because you irrationally think you "deserve" it?

    Depriving YOU? It's time to wake up to reality, kid. You are no better than and entitled to no more than the rest of us. Get off of your high horse and come back to the real world. The next time you want to play the victim, take a look in the mirror to see the only one responsible for holding you back.

    YOU have just admitted to being nothing more than a common unrepentant thief, which is a new low, even for you. What you've done is no different than going into a shop and walking out with almost $150 in books (or whatever else) under your jacket. Just as the person stealing from a store should rightfully be arrested, so should you.

    Argue whatever nonsense points you wish, but this one should cost you whatever credibility you may have had left. King Tim I no more.
     
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  21. sonlarson

    sonlarson World Silver Collector

    Simply not that expensive if you don't absolutely have to have the most up to date version. Not a whole lot changes from year to year. Why pay full retail for a 2013 version when you are able to purchase an earlier discontinued version at a deep discount? What a hard copy, go to a used book store, like half price books or check out half.com. I have only paid $60 once, all others I was able to purchase at a discount. DVD versions are cheap.
    http://www.exactchange.info/Order.htm
     
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