Split or MD?

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  1. AWORDCREATED

    AWORDCREATED Hardly Noticeable

    small but real
     

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  3. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    I think it is a few coincidental hits.
     
  4. atrox001

    atrox001 Senior Member

  5. AWORDCREATED

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    I'm working on that link Larry, thanks. How about this R, it has a furrow.
     

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  6. AWORDCREATED

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    I can't find much on this 'series' thing, does that mean they all have it so it is common to them all?
     
  7. non_cents

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  8. AWORDCREATED

    AWORDCREATED Hardly Noticeable

    Don't forget to look at that R :)
     
  9. atrox001

    atrox001 Senior Member

    In James Wiles Kennedy Half Dollar Book he says: “Sometime in 1971 the third obverse design was placed in use. It features an emphasized tail of the R of LIBERTY which hides the hair strand. Other letters of LIBERTY were also strengthened. This design is also Master Die Doubled and because the design with its doubling was used again in 1972 it is designated as Series Doubled.”

    Larry Nienaber

    The T in your photo looks like the T for the ODV-003 for 71 or 72.
     
  10. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    Based on Larry's latest reply, it sounds like it is master die doubling that was found on multiple years. So yes, it means it is extremely common and (IMO) not worth a premium.
     
  11. AWORDCREATED

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    So common. Yet hardly anyone knows about it???? And About the R - not the tail, the entire thing has a ridge furrow. And the it looks to be split at the upper left. Is that part of the commonality?
     
  12. Caleb

    Caleb Active Member

    "Master Doubling" and "Series Doubling" are really two different critters.

    My understand of "Master Doubling" is that the doubling in question will be on different dies from the same year (example: The 1964 Proof AH Kennedy)

    "Series Doubling" is that the doubling in question will not only be on different dies but on multiply dates as well.
     
  13. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    Both terms refer to a doubled master die. For series doubling the die is used for more than one year.

    And yes, they are very common. The series doubling effects all of the coins from 72-74 and likewise for 77-78. The strength of the doubling will vary from one die to another and vary further with die state, but all the working dies were produced from the same master die.

    What you have to understand is that even if it weren't series doubling, there still wouldn't be many people who would be familiar with it because it is so minor. You can look at sites like Coneca, Coppercoins, Wexler, etc. and you'll literally find hundreds of varieties that most collectors(even variety collectors) could care less about because they are so minor. The average variety collector wants the big stuff that's listed in the CPG and Red Book. There are very few hardcore variety collectors who would give a damn about the doubling on this coin even if it was incredibly rare as far as the population goes.

    I'm an avid Lincoln Cent variety collector, and I collect all varieties from the series. I've even had a few discovery pieces listed at Coppercoins. If you like something, then by all means collect it. Just don't expect every split serif you find to be the next 1955 DDO-001. As a matter of fact, don't expect most of them to even be worth a Venti cup of Starbuck's coffee.
     
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  14. AWORDCREATED

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    Here is another apparently struck by the same die. If this went all the way back to a master, or was over years as well, wouldn't we expect find more of them?
     

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  15. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    darn it you may have hit the lottery

    note: I said may have
     
  16. AWORDCREATED

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    What would be an estimate as to how many master dies there were in 71 for halves?
     
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