This.... is a doubled die.

So, I have noticed a lot of coins posted lately claiming to be doubled dies and they are not.

I was taking some pictures of this coin today and thought it a shame to waste them. So there are a few people here who need to take a long hard look at these pics to see what a true doubled die looks like.

 

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WOW, that is intense. Would notching be what I see in the upper bar of the e in liberty?

 

Very nice. The 1995 is a classic, cheap example of a strong class V DDO.
An example of the notching, although it can be seen in many places, would be the top left arm of the Y in LIBERTY.

 

I like that. Thanks for posting.


Dusty

 

Md.

 

LD, thanks for posting your example.

The only no-doubter I have. Unfortunately it has questionable color.

 

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very nice coin!!!!!

 

LD that's nice !!!! Keep sharing more

 

How about a "This is NOT a Doubled Die" post??

 

Get cher own thread!!! haha!

Here is another doubled die. 1935 Nickel DDR.

 

Matt

I do believe that you picked the wrong photo.

 

nope...

That's the right one... it's a little harder to see for the circulation... note the bottom left of the "E" in FIVE.

Here is a mint state example:

 

Got it.

 

Waxerguy, yours is the only example showing what I expect to see when someone speaks of a double strike. It is very clear to my old eyes looking at the 1955 that a doubling occurred. <That is in fact the specific penny I have been looking for for over 50 years and have never once found.> But very sadly, I can (and did) stare at LostDutchman's example for several minutes and I still don't see doubling.

Smearing, I will give you smearing, but not doubling. Which raises to me the question of how can we tell a mint smeared coin from a post mint damage elsewhen in the coin's history? Looks to me just like someone dropped something heavy on the coin.

My problem is I see four or five of similar 'smeared' pennies almost every day. Filled in Ds and Ss too which someone else somewhere said is a mint error, but to me could have been someone tapping the mint mark with something heavy and hard. How on earth are we supposed to tell mint process error damage from post mint damage on a worn circulated coin?

 

superc

I presume that you are talking about the 1935 Buff.


The circ one is hard to see, but look at the picture of the unc one (post #13).
Click on it & enlarge it.

easiest to see on E CE
[of ONE CENT]

 

No I am not speaking of the nickle. I am speaking of the originally posted penny. I may address the nickel later, but not yet, and I will write the word nickel when I do.
The originally posted penny allegedly exhibiting evidence of doubling. When I was a 'lil kid back in the 50s it was not uncommon for me and the other neighborhood kids to take an old penny, put it on dad's vise or anvil and smack it with a hammer just to see what it would look like. Call it early learning via the experimental method. Some of us had access to different size hammers. We would compare, this new penny looks like this when hit with the ball peen hammer, but if I hit that new penny with the stone mason hammer it will look like this, and on and on. Yup, big hammers left noticeable impact marks, but use that little claw hammer Bobby brought over and all that happens is the lettering smears a little. We hit pennies, nickels, dimes, quarters and even Ben Franklins. We learned some metals were more resistant to the hammer's impact than were others. Then, the experiment over we would run to the candy store and spend the battered coins. Usually the store owner would accept them. Once or twice if the coin was noticeably battered he didn't and we had to either go way down the block to the bank and swap it, or bring the damaged penny to our parents and listen to the yelling (guess which resolution was preferred?).
My problem is the penny in the original post looks so similar to what the pennies we smacked came out looking like, I don't see a difference detectible to the naked eye. So the lettering is smeary. Copper is ductile and malleable. All smeary letters means to me is at some time in the pennies life, some kid smacked it (or tried squishing it in his dad's machinist vice like little Howie did).
Now suddenly I am to consider smeared in mint strikes and smeared lettering evidence of doubling? Pfui.
Alternatively, I have no questions or recognition issues about the 1955 double strike. That is exactly what I have been looking for (but never found).
I handle thousands of pennies. In the past week alone I must have handled at least 100 with filled in mint marks, or thick letters. To me and my eyes, they are virtually identical to the appearance of a 1950s or early 60s penny which one of us kids beat on with a small hammer. Surely the Bronx was not the only place on earth where kids explored and experimented with the world around them. I imagine kids are still kids, therefore, if it was a post 1982 penny it went to Coinstar or the current Coinstar bin and was not considered a double strike.
I do not dispute that the first penny is a double strike. I am merely saying, I don't see it. Alternatively, the 1955 penny is clearly a double strike.

 

You have some factual errors in your posts. These are doubled dies...coins struck by a die that was doubled during the hubbing process. These coins were not "struck twice", that would be a double struck coin. There is a difference.If you look at my thread " Let's talk doubling", you will see I posted the same exact doubled die. That is because a doubled die can produce thousands (and sometimes millions) of the same doubled die in a cookie-cutter like fashion.
Doubled dies such as the 1995 posted show raised, full doubling with notching and separation lines. It isn't "smeared".

 

Exactly. 1955 double strike. I know what that is and the picture of one is what I am looking for. I don't know what the other one is. Smeared is what I call it. I see lots of them. Far too many to assign a collector value to IMO. If we wish to be fancy and call it a 19xx double die, that is fine with me. However, as you say, there are lots and lots of them AND I can't tell them (with my eyes) from a penny some kid squished a little in a vise or hit with a hammer.

 

Now I have to go through my Buffalo collection to check the reverse on some of them.