2 new byzantine coins

chrsmat71 · Jun 4, 2013

got myself a couple new byzantines!

this one is a little rough, but going rate for the type...

constantine x
1059=1067 ad
o:christ
r: constantine x and his lady eudocia
23mm, 6.3 g

this one is really nice...

LEO VI
886-912 AD.

25mm mm, 5.2 g

sear 1729

OBVERSE -- LEON bASILVS ROm, bust facing, with short beard, wearing crown and chlamys and holding akakia in left hand

REVERSE -- LEON/En QEO bA/SILVS R/OMEOn, legend in four lines

if anyone besides me didn't now what the heck an "akakia" was...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akakia

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Bing · Jun 4, 2013

Both nice coins for the era, but I really like the Leo VI.

Windchild · Jun 4, 2013

Great Leo!

stevex6 · Jun 5, 2013

Both nice coins for the era, but I really like the Leo VI.

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Great Leo!
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=> I'm on board with my other two coin-brothers => Leo Roars!!

medoraman · Jun 5, 2013

Leo "the wise" usually come pretty nice. Its weird since emperors before and after come crummy many times, but many of his coins were well struck. I wonder if he was a coin collector and wanted to leave great coins for posterity?

Bing · Jun 5, 2013

I have often wondered if Romans collected Greek coins or did the Greeks collect their own and so forth.

Eng · Jun 5, 2013

Chris, love your new coins, Leo Vl is off the chart, great details..:thumb::thumb:

Windchild · Jun 5, 2013

Bing said: ↑

I have often wondered if Romans collected Greek coins or did the Greeks collect their own and so forth.
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We know that some did..

It is recorded that some well-off Romans collected fourrees

medoraman · Jun 5, 2013

And of course Octavian gave away interesting and beautiful Greek coins to friends of his.

Bing · Jun 5, 2013

Just curious, where is it recorded WC and medman. Also, I wonder what Octavian thought was interesting and beautiful.

medoraman · Jun 5, 2013

Bing said: ↑

Just curious, where is it recorded WC and medman. Also, I wonder what Octavian thought was interesting and beautiful.
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Oh good gosh. I believe it was one of the historians noted it, but I have no clue the specifics. Its just one of those things I read in one of my books on Roman coinage or the history of coin collecting. That is the problem with many books, its hard to keep track where you read something.

Bing · Jun 5, 2013

medoraman said: ↑

Oh good gosh. I believe it was one of the historians noted it, but I have no clue the specifics. Its just one of those things I read in one of my books on Roman coinage or the history of coin collecting. That is the problem with many books, its hard to keep track where you read something.
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I don't know your age medman, but I can assure you it gets worse with age. So many paths in life, it's hard to remember which went where.

AncientJoe · Jun 5, 2013

medoraman said: ↑

Oh good gosh. I believe it was one of the historians noted it, but I have no clue the specifics. Its just one of those things I read in one of my books on Roman coinage or the history of coin collecting. That is the problem with many books, its hard to keep track where you read something.
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One place that it appears is in Harlan Berk's 100 Greatest Ancient coins' prologue.

chrsmat71 · Jun 5, 2013

thanks guys,
interesting to think about ancient collectors also, here from britanica online...

Early coin collecting

The long-held view that coin collecting began with the Italian Renaissance has been challenged by evidence that the activity is even more venerable. Suetonius (ad 69–122) relates in his De vita Caesarum (Lives of the Caesars; Augustus 75) that the emperor Augustus was fond of old and foreign coins and gave them as gifts to his friends. In addition to this account and a variety of other literary accounts of collecting from Greek and Roman sources, there is tangible archaeological evidence that coins have been collected at least from the Roman era and probably for as long as they have existed. For example, a hoard of some 70 Roman gold coins found at Vidy, Switzerland, did not contain any two specimens of the same type, which implies that the coins were collected during the period of Roman rule in that town.
The broader field of art collecting, for which specific and reliable accounts do exist, began in the 4th or 3rd century bc. Since coins of that period are universally recognized as works of art, and since they were among the most affordable and transportable objects of the art world, it is not surprising that they would have been collected even then. Certainly, they were appreciated for more than their value as currency, because they were often used in jewelry and decorative arts of the period.
During the reign of Trajanus Decius (ad 249–251), the Roman mint issued a series of coins commemorating all of the deified emperors from Augustus through Severus Alexander. The designs on these coins replicated those of coins issued by the honoured rulers—some of the original coins being nearly 300 years old by that time. It would have been necessary for the mint to have examples of the coins to use as prototypes, and it is hard to see such an assemblage as anything but a collection. In ad 805 Charlemagne issued a series of coins that very closely resemble the style and subject matter of Roman Imperial issues—another example of collected coins providing inspiration for die engravers of a later era. The Nestorian scholars and artisans who served the princes of the Jazira (Mesopotamia, now Iraq, Syria, and Turkey) in the 12th and 13th centuries designed a magnificent series of coins with motifs based on ancient Greek and Roman issues. Some of these so accurately render the details of the originals that even the inscriptions are faithfully repeated. Others were modified in intriguing ways. The only difference, for example, between the reverse of a Byzantine coin of Romanus III and its Islamic copy is that the cross has been removed from the emperor’s orb in deference to Muslim sensibilities. The great variety and the sophisticated use of these images reveal the existence of well-studied collections. The eminent French numismatist Ernest Babelon, in his 1901 work Traité des monnaies Grecques et Romaines, refers to a manuscript dating to 1274, Thesaurus magnus in medalis auri optimi, which recorded a formal collection of ancient coins at a monastery in Padua, Italy. Petrarch (1304–1374), the famed humanist of the Italian Renaissance, formed a notably scientific and artistic collection of ancient coins.
Fascination with the images on the coins—depictions of famous rulers, mythological beings, and the like—seems to have generated much of the interest in collecting in these early periods. Because the coins of Asia and Africa did not usually feature images, collecting was not common in these areas until relatively modern times.
The hobby of kings and the rise of numismatic scholarship

The main difference between coin collecting before and after the Renaissance is the development of an active market. With the new wave of interest, demand for antique coins greatly exceeded the available supply. During the 15th and 16th centuries, ancient-coin collecting became the “hobby of kings,” and the list of collectors is a list of European nobility. At the same time, famous artists were employed by these patrons to create replicas of ancient coins and portrait or commemorative medals, which became collectible in their own right. The appetite of collectors fueled a cottage industry of agents and prompted a search of source lands for salable artifacts. As might be expected, the insatiable market created such demand that it also fostered the introduction of forgeries.
By the 17th century, the nature of collecting had shifted slowly toward serious research. As a result, very broad collections were formed, studied, and cataloged. Numismatics became an academic pursuit, and many important treatises were published during that period. The involvement of institutions and the rise of public collections in the 18th century led to sponsorship of academic study, which elevated numismatics to the stature of a science. Most important, the exchange of information and new discoveries was formalized through detailed and widely published treatises on the topic of coins and collecting. Many of the large private collections of noble families came under state control during this period, and the subsequent cataloging of these holdings added volumes to existing knowledge. This information was readily available to the general public, and coin collecting became a pursuit of middle-class merchants and members of the various professions who were growing in numbers as well as cultural sophistication. Collecting ancient coins is one of the few ways that the average person can own actual objects from antiquity, and this point was not lost on the growing collector base. Coins are remarkably accessible pieces of history.
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here something about current famous collectors, just for kicks (i've heard nicole kidman is into ancients before....me and her should get together sometime Kiss)...

http://pinterest.com/funconvention/celebrity-coin-collectors/

Bing · Jun 5, 2013

here something about current famous collectors, just for kicks (i've heard nicole kidman is into ancients before....me and her should get together sometime)...
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In your dreams Kid. In your dreams (mine too)

Ancientnoob · Jun 6, 2013

Jeeze Chris, I would love to give you a bunch of background on the Leo but....I am speechless and can only say....

That's Phat!!!:yes:

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