Counterfeiter's Die.

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Detecto92, May 18, 2013.

  1. Detecto92

    Detecto92 Well-Known Member

    I showed this a while back, but got some better pics of it today when I was at my Grandpa's.

    He found this while clearing out brush, the large nick in it, is from a sickle.

    The metal is most likely silver. Too hard to be lead, no rust, so it's not steel, and stainless didn't exist back then.

    Back then, counterfeiters would take a sheet of silver, hammer a Morgan dollar into both sides to make the dies. They would cut a circle of lead from a jar lid, then hammer the "die" into the lead on both sides. Cut reeds into the side with a knife, then plate it silver.

    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
     
  2. Avatar

    Guest User Guest



    to hide this ad.
  3. bkozak33

    bkozak33 Collector

    your hands look dry. you should moisturize.
     
  4. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Is that one piece? In other words, is your die double-sided?
     
  5. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    It isn't a die, it is a crude contemporary counterfeit. Even if you couldn't make dies, you could take pieces of metal put them between two genuine coins and smash them together with a sledge hammer giving you a two sided incuse "coin". I've seen several pieces like this and at one time I owned a lead shield nickel that had been made by this method.

    As for what it is made of, it could be coppernickel or it could be a pewter alloy. Silver is possible but not likely.
     
  6. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    funny
     
  7. d.t.menace

    d.t.menace Member

    So now explain to us how you put enough force on it to strike a coin with one side of your "die" without ruining the image on the other side.
     
  8. silentnviolent

    silentnviolent accumulator--selling--make an offer I can't refuse

    leather between top of 'die' and 'hammer' together struck hard evenly, as opposed to struck weakly with rising pressure once struck would at least curb the wear to the 'die'
     
  9. Detecto92

    Detecto92 Well-Known Member

    I don't think it's a counterfeit for the simple reason the details are incuse.

    I do know they made morgan dollars out of lead back then, because I have had one before I found metal detecting.
     
  10. jloring

    jloring Senior Citizen

    I highly recommend this book; you'll find the answer to this and a lot more:

    [​IMG]
     
  11. d.t.menace

    d.t.menace Member

    That looks like a book that would be interesting to me. Thanks for the heads up.:thumb:
     
Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page