mercury die clash

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by cncman, May 8, 2013.

  1. cncman

    cncman Senior Member

    any premium for mercury dime die clashes? If it matters it is a 16s BU.
     
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  3. cncman

    cncman Senior Member

    maybe pics will help?

    mercclash1.jpg mercclash2.jpg mercclash3.jpg mercclash4.jpg
     
  4. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    Nice clash. Unfortunately because they are errors that are not often consistent (slim chance of finding one that came from the same die), the price would be inconsistent as well. I would just say the value is the price of an AU-MS 1916-S Merc plus some smaller amount added on for the error.
    Keep up the hunt!
     
  5. cncman

    cncman Senior Member

    thanks for the info, neat to have but now I gotta find another one to pop in the album.
     
  6. Jim M

    Jim M Ride it like ya stole it

    I would say there would be a decent premium on that coin to the right person. Not a huge amount but it is a desirable coin. I have not seen alot of Mercs with Clashes so prevalent.
     
  7. lotusboyrulz

    lotusboyrulz Member

    is it just me or does the 9 in 1916 look doubled ???
     
  8. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

  9. yakpoo

    yakpoo Member

    Very nice! I like coins with distinctive dies cracks or clashes. I think it adds character to the coin. Value? ...probably not so much. However, I'm willing to pay a little extra (5%) for a nice clash like that. PM me if you want to sell.
     
  10. coingeek12

    coingeek12 Well-Known Member

    tis' just MD.
     
  11. cncman

    cncman Senior Member

    hey buddy good to see you again, I think it is an AU slider, there is just a hint of discoloration on the jaw and then there is the ding in the cheek, luster is pretty good. The contrast of the clash is actually better than the pictures, the light washes it out a bit. If I decide to sell it you will get first shot.
     
  12. cncman

    cncman Senior Member

    yea there is some MDing on the reverse too. Probably related to the clash?
     
  13. coingeek12

    coingeek12 Well-Known Member

    possibly, the information I have was given to me by non cents.
     
  14. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    I have never heard of a connection between die clashes and mechanical doubling...that's not to say there isn't one, though. I'm not really seeing any MD on the reverse, and the date looks more like a trick of the lighting than MD in my opinion.
    Keep up the hunt!
     
  15. yakpoo

    yakpoo Member

    OK...I'll say it...there isn't one. :D

    Die clashes occur when the Obverse and Reverse dies clash together (no planchet) leaving their imprint on the other. Subsequent strikes impart this new design on the coins until the dies are polished to remove the marks.

    Machine doubling occurs when dies are loose or too much pressure is applied, causing a shift on the planchet as it's struck.
     
  16. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    The only connection I could think of is if loose dies (the reason for mechanical doubling) also have to do with die clashes. Dies have a "safety distance" set between them so when no planchet is in the chamber, they will not touch while being run. Maybe if they were installed too loosely, they hammer die could have shifted downward slightly resulting in a clash, and also MD?
     
  17. yakpoo

    yakpoo Member

    I'm fairly certain that MD requires a planchet to be involved.

    You bring up an interesting point...when did the Mint begin using the "safty distance" between dies. You never see clashed dies on modern coins, but you see it all the time on older ones. It would be interesting to know when the change was made.
     
  18. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    Yes, machine doubling directly involves the planchet. My point was that the loose dies (which theoretically could be the reason for the clash) also results in machine doubling when the coin is struck.
    Not sure when the "safety distance" thing was first put into play unfortunately.
     
  19. cncman

    cncman Senior Member

    that's what I was thinking, the clash loosened them up. The MD on the reverse isn't pictured it is in the NW corner, you can see it in the T in united. The date doesn't show MD.
     
  20. cncman

    cncman Senior Member

    I keep going back and forth between AU and about 62, sometimes I see the discoloration on the jaw sometimes I don't could be messing with me, guess I will send it in to NGC.
     
  21. gbroke

    gbroke Naturally Toned

    I actually just found a 1941 D, which I believe is BU and FSB.

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