Very Old Coin Found But need some Help Identifying

looks gold to me

they do if sea annimals were attached to them

 

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No offense, but how long have you been collecting? How many gold coins have you handled? How many from medieval Europe?

 

I'd listen to the professional...

Ardatirion is who I'm talking about.


Btw, I was 99% sure, but use probably as I'm no expert.

9 years, with 1 seriously.

Around 250 gold coins.

Just 2 from Europe..

Edit: just realized that this wasn't for me.

 

for gold to corrode you need temperature and pressure and both are easily found under water

 

15 yrs, many and a few.
Agreed, gold does not corrode, but gold is soft and can be abraded. Especially in shallow water where sNd rubs against the surface of the coin, to me the surface does not look corroded. With out decent photos and proper lighting no accurate determination can be made. The guy says it tests gold so the material has been determined. Now for the ID.

 

This is not true. "Heat and pressure" would melt gold, not corrode it.

 

Agreed.

 

It can be abraded, but this is not what it would look like.

 

sulfur also corrodes gold

 

You and I agree on many things, but I disagree with you here.

 

Let's wait for better pictures. If I'm wrong, I will happily apologize.

 

I agree that we definitely need better pictures, but not through a loupe.

I agree that gold does not corrode and I'll also admit that I know very little about gold coins, but consider this.....since he found it in a river bed, is it possible that alga may have attached to it? Alga can take on a wide spectrum of colors.

Chris

 

Hi Everyone. I will have better pictures today. along with size and weights for I will also bring it to a second jewelry story For a second Opioun Incase the other store was Bs Me But I don't see why unless they didn't want to be bothered. But I want to give everyone acutal information as alot of you on hear are very well versed and are also seen as experts. The coin was Found in a river bed. about 5 to 7 inches down in the sand just above Black Clay or Black Mud. There Are Millions of Muscle at this spot as well. and also a fresh water Lake with run off about 10 feet from this spot as well. Again thank you all for you help so far and I will have all the information posted in a few hrs. Thank you

 

Just askin'

If a gold coin contains copper (like US gold did), could ocean water leach out the copper, leaving a mottled porous darkened surface, especially if the coin were a lower fineness, maybe 40% copper?

And someone please find an image of Henry III's gold penny, just for the sake of comparison.

Finding one in North America would simply mean that it had been part of a pirate's hoard or a wealthy incoming 1600s or 1700s colonist's private stash, lost at sea near the coast, not necessarily that the coin was "lost" in 1257, which would contradict all known history of American discovery.

 

the british silver pennys do have dots but there crosses go all the way acrossed the coin i couldnt find a picture of the gold penny last night only the silver ones

 

Hi Everyone, I Have visted a additional two Jewerly stores today along with two other coin shops, And I would Like to appologise, The jewerlly store i went to yesterday did not perform any test and was untruthful about the coin material, I stopped there as well today after visting the two other stores and spoke with the manager and was basically told we dont have time to look at coins ect, we sell jewerly. So Basically the guy took the coin into the back for a few min and returned and said yes it was gold and it didnt way much just to get me out f the shop. I appologise and am as well very upset about this as it has made me look like a fool to everyone here on this sight. Any Way The Other store i Vistited believe it is made of a Bronze material, The Offical weight is 0.5 grams. The Two Coin Shops both estimated Date Range to be 1300's to 1500's and that to be of Spanish, British and or possible Jerulism coinage, but where unable to tell unless they sent it out or where able to study it for great lengths of time. I have taken some more photos and scans of the coin and also included another coin which was found close to this one that appears to be copper and is showing corrosion and tarish, and a wheat penny for size. Which clearlly shows more detail and wear can be seen. Know Since the coin shows detail but letters and reverse are not to ledigable, would it be wise to place a piece of paper over the coin and use a pencil to shade the impression to try to get some detail or possible letters or date? And What kind of value would this coin bring if sold? Thank You all again for all ur help, and again i appogise for the incorrect and misleading information ealier posted.

 

jeruslem crosses and british croses all have starit lines at the end of the cross lines yours are pointed

 

Kind of guessed a jeweler was not the best choice to take an item like this to. If bronze or copper it may of corroded in the river due to chemicals in the area. Living on the Chesapeake bay I can tell you that the waters in different areas well are very poluited. I the Baltimore harbor where industry and 100's of years of dumping has left the animals who live there with heavy medals as well as other chemicals in the bottom material. Be it sand or mud. If this coin was lost in the early 1500's in a body of water that has had industry near by it would corroded. I have seen studies where acid and other chemicals were found in bottom samples. Thus if it was found in mud you're lucky it did not just break apart when picked up. This is a very cool find I hope somehow it's ID . Maybe an e mail plus pictures to a few museum's may shed some light.Someone out there has the answer...like the coin you just need to find and dig deep enough.

 

It only means that you won't be able to buy that new Ferrari this week, but you did do what you need to do in cases like this. Check and double-check.

Chris

 

So Spent the last few days digging around online and haven't been able to come up with much besides the Crusaders Coin That's has similarities with cross design.
Also found a few places that due attribution for coins. Due you thinks it safe to send out. and how would I know what kind of value for insurance? Also Would it pay to have this service done in order to gauge a coin value
Thank You all again