1801 Draped Bust Half Dollar

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Eduard, Mar 24, 2013.

  1. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    I first posted this coin back in 2007, but in view of the ongoing discussion on the 1806 over inverted 6 Half, I thought I would post this coin again to get some
    additional opinions from the experts who have joined C.T over the last few years.

    It is ex Stacks 1987 (or 1988), and it has minor adjustment marks on the obverse.

    It weighs 13,34 grams as per my notes. One of the posters back then commented the weight range for this issue was 13,44 g - 13,48 g. Seems like a very tight range? If my weighing back then was correct this coin is 0.1 g below the lower limit of the tolerance.

    (My picture taking skills have not improved over the last 5 years, but I hope these are good enough).

    I would greatly appreciate hearing your comments on this coin.
     

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  3. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Eduard

    Still a beauty.

    I believe it is an O-102, R-4.

    The scarcer of the two die marriages for the year.

    [the O-101 is an R-3]

    Great piece.
     
  4. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Thank you again, Frank.
    It was old C.T member Bonedigger who commented on the weight remember him?
     
  5. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Sure, Ben is doing well.
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    For what it's worth, I'd say the coin would grade VF30 or 35. Having a hard time making up my mind today, not enough sleep I guess.
     
  7. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    A beauty for sure.
     
  8. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Weight tolerance range was more like 13.38 - 13.48 grams so you are only .04 grams light. If it started at the low end of the range it could possibly be that light after some wear.
     
  9. billpocz

    billpocz Amazed by Peace Dollars

    Beautiful coin, Eduard!!
     
  10. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Definitely the O-102 unless the blob (half CUD/Half break or chip) below the eagle's right claw (viewer's left) at the dentils has been tooled away. The lack of this blob makes the ID of O-102 a high confidence situation.

    Nice surfaces.
     
  11. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    You're talking ANA 6th Edition grades right , That would likely grade an EF at the tpgs . The obverse is most likely a weak strike the reverse is stronger than some EF-45s I've seen in NGC or PCGS slabs . Here;s the 1st EF I found at Heritages auction , Eduards coin is as nice or nicer , IMHO .
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  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yeah, could be. But look a little closer at the reverse of Eduard's coin and compare that to the reverse of the Heritage coin. First of all Eduard's coin has at least 3 if not more rim dings/bruises. The Heritage coin has none. Now look at the outer edge of the shield on Eduard's coin and compare that to the Heritage coin. On the Heritage coin it is bold all the way around, on Eduard's it is worn smooth in places to the point that it blends flat with the wings. Now look at the inner lines on the shield on the 2 coins. On the Heritage coin they are bold and distinct, on Eduard's some spots are worn smooth & flat. And there is also more wear on the tail, the talons, arrows and wreath than on the Heritage coin.

    Coins are graded according to their worst side. On Eduard's coin the reverse is the killer, thus my opinion.
     
  13. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Definitely O-102, on O-101 the outer leaf in the lowest cluster on the olive branch extends past the second A in AMERICA. On O-102 the point is below the left base of the A.
     
  14. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Well, thanks again for all of the opinions.
    This turned more into a discussion about the grade of the coin (which was not my intention), rather than about its characteristics, edge/denticle design, weight vs. standard etc, and ultimately also about its genuineness.

    Regarding the grade, I bought this as VF, and if its any better than that, I'm happy.
    Yes, it has minor rim nicks, but even accounting for the fact my opinion may not be unbiased (ownership means 10 points), I still think this coin stands on its own as a very nice example of the issue, with more eye appeal than many I have seen in slabs.
     
  15. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    :thumb:Nice one 4 sure Eduard!!!
    Die Varieties I will leave that to the Experts.

    :yes:
     
  16. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Looks like ya got me again . lol
     
  17. billpocz

    billpocz Amazed by Peace Dollars

    Can I ask what the 'swirling' areas above the stars on the reverse? Clouds in the sky?

    Or do they represent some other aspect of that period? Like gunpowder clouds?

    I am TRULY enjoying the threads about these amazing pieces of history!
     
  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yes.
     
  19. billpocz

    billpocz Amazed by Peace Dollars

    Thanks GDJMSP!!
     
  20. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    The 1801 DBH is a great date and the coin looks like a Ch VF to me. I realize an 1807 was posted, but this was not a great date to choose since the 1807 DBH is generally found with lower relief than the 1801-1806 coins and this can affect how someone might grade these pieces if comparing these different dates.
     
  21. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    Doug ,Frank,Mark H and Rusty its :thumb:OK I agree 100%!
     
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