Should I grant an eBay refund for a coin received 21 days ago?

Ok, Ill take that as a yes. Yes, I Shill bid, I do this when ever a cointalk member list a coin in the auction section and I have time. I have no intentions of buying the item, but I will jack up the price. I dont crackout problem coins and pass them off as something they are not.

 

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This has turned very ugly, in my opinion, for the OP.

 

OK I ended it and restarted with "formally anacs xf details cleaned". The masses are right. Even though I don't see how it was ever cleaned I put it out there in the description.

 

Sure has :/

 

That is a d--k move. What if another CT member is bidding? Thanks to you I will no long bid on coins listed from members on this site that are listed in the for sale section. This is worse than cracking out problem coins and selling them raw. It's still on the buyer to view the coin and judge for themselves but you shill bidding is just dishonest and shady.

*Anyone know his eBay user name so I know to stay away from coin auctions with him in it?

 

I was kidding fallguy. I dont jack up prices.lol. sometimes I give opening bids to people to get the bidding started.

If you need it, there is a link to my Ebay account in my signature area.

 

My bad, my sarcasm detector is broke today. :foot-mouth:

 

I think you did the right thing.

 

No, you did not. Please allow me to quote you:

“Choice color and lots of nice detail is present as well as plenty of luster. A couple tiny rim ticks are mentioned for accuracy.”



"For accuracy" would have been noting it’s a problem coin; you did not have to say anything yet chose to fluff it. I can see that it is at least highly questionable from both photos and I've little doubt that you can too. Many times you have told us that you are a "dealer", but now it seems as though you really are what I prefer to call a "seller". It appears as if you are giving no service to your customers other than offering coins, which in my most humble opinion is what separates a dealer from a seller. Earlier in this thread I was totally on your side, at least until I finally looked at the 38 50C and learned of the crackout crap. I’ve cleaned up too many messes caused by people who do as you are to take this BS lightly. It is sad and the damage it can cause this business/hobby is far exceeds the value of a few bucks extra profit in your pocket. This still “learning” nonsense is just that… nonsense and nothing more than an excuse. You know darn well what you are doing, and even if you’ve been outed, please do not insult our collective intelligence with such claims.


I understand that selling coins is presently your only form of income, but this gives you no excuse to burn your customers. This business can be hard, I know this all too well, but there is a line one should not cross. A few dollars is not worth the hit to a reputation that can follow you for years and years to come. I’ve read some of your posts/threads and it seems to me that you know what you’re doing, so you should be able to run your business honestly. I realize that it’s tough finding quality material to offer, but don’t stoop to the level of cracking dreck and fluffing it up to be something nice. Hopefully you will take this to heart and change your business plan sooner rather than later. I do believe that you are better than this.

 

I just have one thing to say.

 

More cowbell.

 

Absolutely. That's why buyers have 30 days to open a claim. You can say 2 weeks, but eBay gives the buyer 30 days to open a claim, PLUS another 30 days to resolve the issue with the seller.

 

Summarising here - the seller cracked out a coin out of a holder and sold it raw on fleaBay - to the collector with any modicum of knowledge the coin is cleaned - harshly. The seller didn't state anything and he managed to find the fool bidiot that bought the coin thinking it was more it really was. The seller has a 14 day return policy which in all practically means nothing to fleaBay and their bidiots. FleaBay will side with the buyer as usual 30 day return policy in favour of their bidiots will apply.

I find the seller was complicit in some of the fault for selling a coin that had been cracked out of a holder and not stating that it had been cleaned. The bidiot shouldn't have bought the coin in the first place.

That said the buyer keeps the coin and the seller should refund a bit of the dosh.

 

In the OP's defense, he does have excellent photos in his listings.

 

correct!! Picture do not lie!

 

If you get the coin back in the PCGS slab, you've gotten a service! That's not so bad. I would issue the refund if you get the coin back slabbed.
If you don't issue the refund, expect the negative feedback. That's a given. And expect an eBay resolution case opened against you.
If you do refund, you keep your good reputation and goodwill for future selling. If the buyer still leaves a negative, you have a chance to answer it. At least you wouldn't be involved in a resolution case.
If it were me, if I got my original coin back as I sent it or in a slab, I would refund. Less headaches.

 

The buyer never sent the coin to PCGS. He took it to a dealer for a determination on whether to submit it or not.

Chris

 

Ok say after realizing the error of my ways, help me with this one... This is a 3 cent I was going to list next week. It's a little crusty, but doesn't look like corrosion to me. Is it verdigris? Help me figure it out and I'll post that in the listing. Thanks.

 

While its fine to try to find this out sir, you could always just post a high quality photo. If this coi did not come from an environmental damge or details slab, and you do not know what is wrong, just post the coin with a good photo.

The prior incident i was just unpleased with since it was au details slab, but your ad did jot refernce that, but rather read differently.

You know what though? You are still here. That means a lot to me. A true crook would have left this thread and CT long ago. That tells me you really do care and want to do the right thing. That is not so common on Ebay nowadays.

I would say as a base list what you know. If you know its an au coin, don't say "ms, bu, unc". If you know this coin has some kind of schmaltz on it, but am unsure what, a good photo and maybe just saying "something on surface" would suffice.

Again, i do applaud you for sticking here and taking the heat. Similar dealers have come here, and are gone if they are ever subject to honest criticism. That should show everyone here the value of the dealers who do participate on CT.

 

I understand what you are saying, but. What is high grade?

Hog wash. Coin collecting is a serious business for many that live and pay their bills using this hobby. For the record I don't. I have learned a ton by giving myself time, reading and talking to ex graders at coin shows to help me through the process of knowing what I am buying. I have gotten burned many times on Franklins, and other coins in which "Hairlines" have cost me dearly and some coins didn't meet a "Gem" grade thus losing all possible profit.

So, should a business man give his time on educating a "Buyer" on a auction site? NO! I don't feel the OP mislead this buyer.

P.S. I can see the coin was "Cleaned" at one point POORLY. Their is a buyer somewhere that will buy that coin as it is. Just a little work and it will be sold. G