We often debate grading. I thought this was a solid example of "strong in grade."

This is my newest Morgan. The reason I created a thread for this acquisition is that we so often debate grading. I felt that this was a very "right on" example of MS 65 in a Morgan Dollar, as it has clean devices (especially the cheek), pretty clean fields, with minimum bag marks, and well struck:

 

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David, how would you compare your 82-S to my 85-CC which is also an MS65 graded by PCGS? Just curious!

Chris

 

Morgandude, stunning toning and nice relief!

 

I would be able to have an opinion if your pictures were better. Put some bloody light on the coin! Her whole face is a shadow!

From what I can see it looks like a pretty average Morgan of an extremely common date/mm.

 

I have a hard time seeing a MS65 with those kinds of hits on it.

 

Very similar. I'd say yours is a bit higher in grade. Maybe close to a 65+ Both are clean, and have the typical devices/fields of a Morgan 65. Yours is brighter, as it is a white coin, and doesn't have the red/yellow/green tone that mine has.

 

I think they're both very nice pieces.

 

Average? Guess you don't like toned coins. An average Morgan is white, and MS 63.

 

Toned 1882-S Morgans are a dime a dozen. And, NGC alone has graded 18,000 MS65 1882-S Morgans, with 8,300 higher. Yes, average.

Not to mention, based on the pictures you show, the obverse seems to be nicked up and has spots. So even the toning is just "average" -- at least in my humble opinion.

 

I don't take your opinion excessively seriously, fortunately.

 

What's to debate, I think that it is properly graded. We all know that the cheek is the main focal point, and if it is clean, it will get a MS-65 nearly every time. The only significant mark is on the obverse at about 10 o'clock.

I'm going to have to see your Morgan collection in hand one day David, looks like one outstanding collection. My Morgan set is pretty nice, but I was good friends with Jack Lee and his set put mine to shame and made me less of a Morgan collector than I may have otherwise been. His branch mint proofs were just unbelievable.

 

Gee, thanks Doug! Do you have a green beanie.............DCAC?

Chris

 

I like the coin, very nice strike as I would expect from an 82 S and the toning is nice. As for being strong for the grade, I think not. If you believe otherwise, send it in for the bean.

 

Excellent idea, and you would only need about 5 of them to cover 10 years worth of submissions

 

Here is the PCGS photo grade shot for MS 65. This is what PCGS (not the outside world) thinks MS 65 should look like in a Morgan Dollar, so it is the industry standard, Doug. Sorry, but you tend to under grade things way too much using their standard:



Using this, and not opinion, but fact as a rubric, both coins posted are textbook MS 65s, by either TPG. As regards toning, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I am just talking grade now, and that is answered very clearly by PCGS, not me.

 

I am gonna stick with PCGS rubrics on this one. Looking at your obverse on the 1900o, which is a weak strike coin, generally, I see the mark being quite prominent. The strike is weaker around the hair and cap, and strike is an important part of grading--it isn't just "count the bag marks" on a Morgan, it is the position of them--some are more critical when prominently on devices than others.