Sometimes NGC Just P.........Me Off!!!!!!!!!!!!

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looks like a staple scratch.

 

Or I see that PCI is slabbing coins again.

 

NGC does sort of know how big the particular invoice is, because all of the coins from an invoice are graded sequentially from a tray (or multiple trays if there are a very large number of coins on that invoice). Thus, a "large" submission is clear if they get a tray with 200 coins in it, versus a tray with 5 coins.

They still don't know whosubmitted the large invoice, but they certainly know that it isa large submission.

 

Checked out the NGC photo. There is no doubt that this coin deserved a details holder.
http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/CertResults.aspx?CertNumber=2596361-015

 

OK, fair enough. But, I refuse to believe that NGC or PCGS give better grades for larger submissions or that they look the other way on damage...which is basically what the OP implied.

Agreed. The scratch is very obvious in the NGC website image.

 

SEGS would probably details grade it, too. How about NTC?

Chris

 

I'm no expert, but MS on that particular specimen would be quite a stretch of the definition. That particular young lady had quite the life between mint and slab...

 

I like the OP coin! Looks MS63 or 64 to me. Even in the NGC website pic it just looks like a significant bag mark. It's a shame it didn't grade. Like others have said, I've seen worse looking coins in graded holders.

 

TPG's are only opinion-givers. My opinion or keemao's or anyone's has meaning. Standards change for such subjective little objects, and "grade-worthy" opinions can vary from person to person. For example, I heard a prominent dealer at the Baltimore Expo Friday say that he's submitting a CBH with ever-so-faint hairlines that was once rejected from NGC for cleaning. He admitted he may have to submit it 2 or 3 times, but stated "someday, a PCGS grader will slab it. It's just too beautiful to be considered a problem coin."

 

Indeed. I may have spoken too soon. Here's a coin I just ran across.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1888-O-SILV...48?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item3ccfe69d68

That's quite a face scratch isn't it? And in a no problem holder? Maybe the OP has a legit beef.

 

2 quick examples from my submissions. 1. I bought a 1824 CBH in a NGC VF details scratched holder. I noted it was the 1824/1 so I cracked it out and sent it to PCGS for the variety. It came back VF20 despite the 1mm scratch (which was pretty deep) near the date! I was shocked, and had only sent it in expecting the variety to be noted. 2. I found an NGC AU50 1836 CBH that I saw was the 1836/1336 over date. I cracked it out and sent it to PCGS. It came back XF details, cleaned. Again, I was shocked, but in a much less fun way.

 

At the Orlando FUN show, I saw a PCGS G04 1892 O Barber Half "micro O" variety, but the reverse was grainy and black from corrosion and the obverse was hairlined from being cleaned! It seems they gave it a grade due simply to the extreme rarity of the piece. I have to say that seeing a G04 grade on it seemed unnecessary to me. It was in such poor condition, the actual grade didn't matter to me. And the problems were extremely obvious, likely even to a novice. The dealer was asking $5000 and admitted he was surprised it got a grade.

 

I can understand that frustration. I have 4 slabbed coins. 2 NGC's, 1 ICG, and 1 ANACS. luckily they do not say OBV scratch. does it matter how low or how high the grade goes before they put "OBV scratch" on the slab ???

 

My latest NGC experience was better than yours. I submitted some large cents for grade and attribution. One of them was a ICG AU 50 and another was a PCGS AU 50, the ICG came back NGC AU 55 and the PCGS came back AU 53. I felt that the ICG was under graded but didn;t think the PCGS was a AU 50. The ones that get me is when I can have a NGC MS 65 Ike that looks two grades higher than a NGC MS 66 graded Ike of the same mint and date. Goes to show that it is only an opinion that they assign to it and there are risk of playing the crack out game.

And mark me down with the people that say that large submissions do get looked at differently.

 

Don't like the GENUINE or DETAIL services of either PCGS /NGC.

They are starting to clutter the auction sites,

:loud: GO AWAY

 

I understand everything everyone says about grading with scratches, nicks or whatever. But in the case of the coin I posted the pic of, while one person could see it in NGC's professional picture after it was graded, I can assure you that unless you use a loop or magnifying device you can't see that scratch with your naked eye. My beef is why can't they start being fair to everyone....a nick, a scratch, a gouge, whether it is made by being in the bag or otherwise...they should all be graded the same. How can you always be sure that some damage is from being in the bag with other coins? I see plenty of coins with very noticeable rim marks on the face of a Morgan or Peace. Should those not be considered damage and get a nice grade based on the overall beauty of the coin or should they all fall in the same category? So I was just a little put off that they do that when they grade so many other coins with damage on them and don't put the UNC Details stigma on them.

 

As Doug said, bag marks on the silver dollars that were stored in government vaults for decades are not considered damage.

You also mentioned that you couldn't see the scratch without the aid of magnification. This reminds me of the time about 8-9 years ago when I bought a raw 1878-CC Morgan on eBay. When I received it, I was looking at it under a halogen light without any magnification, and big as day, there was a staple scratch across the obverse which wasn't visible without the lighting.

Chris