Need ID of this Ancient

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by 7Calbrey, Mar 16, 2013.

  1. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Hello. I hope these scans are suitable to determine the ID on both obverse and reverse of this likely to be Roman coin. Thanks again .. ROB 001.jpg RRB 001.jpg
     
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  3. Windchild

    Windchild Punic YN, Shahanshah

    It is Roman,

    Camp Gate.

    I'll leave the rest for the experts ;)
     
  4. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I am by no means certain of this, as I am having trouble reading the legends. However, I think it may be:

    [TABLE="align: center"]

    [TD="bgcolor: #b87333"]Cyzicus
    RIC VII 59[/TD]
    Constantine I AE3. 328-329 AD. CONSTAN-TINVS AVG, laureate, draped & cuirassed bust right / PROVIDEN-TIAE AVGG, campgate with two turrets and star above, SMKG in ex.
    [/TABLE]
     
  5. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I concur with Bing. Also, as far as the mint mark goes, SM stands for SACRA MONETA, K indicated the Cyzikus mint, gamma = third officina.
     
  6. Windchild

    Windchild Punic YN, Shahanshah

    I can read the reverse, and it reads:

    PROVIDEN - TIAE AVG [Possibly another G]

    In exergue is SMK [I?, maybe something similar to I]
     
  7. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I'm certain its a Gamma
     
  8. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    PROVIDENTIAE AVG means "the foresight of the Augustus" - extolling the wisdom of the emperor. The campgate reverse is a very common theme with many variations. Yours has six levels, two turrets, and one star above.
     
  9. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Here's a similar coin of mine, different ruler...

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  10. Windchild

    Windchild Punic YN, Shahanshah

    Which looks like an I ;)
     
  11. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    C'mon WC, give in a little. It's a Gamma







    Gamma 00393 [​IMG] GREEK CAPITAL LETTER GAMMA

     
  12. Windchild

    Windchild Punic YN, Shahanshah

    Funny thing is I'm agreeing with you...

    It is a Gamma, but Gamma looks like an I with an additional - on the top right bar!
     
  13. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    The Romans used Greek letters to signify a particular officina associated with the given mint. The Greek letters weren't always in exergue, however. Sometimes they sprinkled control marks all over the reverse of the coins. Here's my Licinius I as an example...

    [​IMG]
     
  14. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Thank you WC. Once in a blue moon this old guy can be right. ;)
     
  15. Windchild

    Windchild Punic YN, Shahanshah

    More often then that! :)

    Gamma looks like an I,
    So I said "I?, maybe something similar to I"

    I think you just got a bit confused by the I instead of a Gamma (which I can't post ;))
     
  16. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Confused? About what? Where am I? Who am I. Gamma? What's that?

    I'm never confused!!!!!
     
  17. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    That was a very interesting discussion. I got much more information than I expected. By the way, could this coin be considered as scarce or valuable. Thanks..
     
  18. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Unfortunately no. Yours is a very common type. I would expect to pay no more than $5 for it.
     
  19. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I wouldn't pay more than $5, but I also believe these are regularly sold $10-$20 on the bay.
     
  20. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Well, sellers ask $10-$20. Maybe sometimes they get it, I don't know.

    As far as a few of the Constantine clan goes, namely Constantine I, Constantius II, and Constantine II, the Romans churned out millions upon millions of the coins. I know there are some rare types, but this campgate isn't anywhere close to one of those. It's one of the most common reverse types, possible second only to the falling horsemen.

    For $20 I'd expect a VF-grade coin from any of those three rulers - of the common types that is.
     
  21. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I agree JA. I'm not arguing with you. The images of this particular coin indicate a less than F condition, especially on the obverse. I have a ton of campgates with only a very few being considered event remotely scarce. Like this Constantine II from Antioch, RIC VII 65, with an R5 rating from RIC (I also know the problems with RIC ratings):
    Constantine II 18 OBV_opt.jpg Constantine II 18 REV_opt.jpg
     
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