Someone mentioned they’ve experienced a problem with coins corroding in paper wrapped rolls – has anyone else experienced this? Is the mint using inert paper? I would imagine the rolling companies do not use inert paper, as their purpose is not to provide a collectable product.
Most paper used for rolling are not "inert". Paper rolls have never really been made for such things, they were made to be convenient and CHEAP. Anyone wishing to store "rolls" of things should buy the plastic tubes. In the old days, some collectors would wrap a paper roll with aluminum foil, then more paper. This will work, but is dangerous. If any part of the coin touches the aluminum foil, it can destroy the coin. Why mess with that when plastic is inert, safe, and cheap nowadays?
well it depends on what kinds of wrappers i would think. i would say the string and son wrappers would be ok. i have a lot of older rolls that have toned due to the wrappers but nothing to the point of corrosion
I've seen some of the ones from like the dollar store or wal mart show some corrosion, but thsoe are cheap so it goes with the territory I suppose. I'm on board with those above ^^^^, when i find a fresh roll of UNC's, I carefully open it up, and put all the coins into a storage tube, bust out my Dymo, and print up a nice label for it.
I guess the problem is sealed rolls are worth more, since it's assumed they haven't been searched. However, if long term your coins are being destroyed, there's no advantage to keeping them in sealed paper. At the prices the mint is selling them for and since they're selling them as a collectable roll, you'd think they would/should use inert paper.
Well, on a whim I decided to check one of my rolls of 2012 d cents. Black spots all over them! So I checked my other rolls, the 2009 Lincolns, 08 Lincolns... ALL have spots everywhere. I even pit the rolls in tubes while still in paper. Now I have to unroll all 100 or so rolls I have to hopefully prevent further marks and deterioration.
The spotting is actually quite common with these. They basically left the mint like such. It really seems like there is no QC going on right now in the mint..
There are things you should realize and be aware of. The mint never sold rolls of coins until the State Quarter series came out. And even then, it was never the mint's intention for those rolls to be saved intact. So no, they never cared if the paper was inert or not. They still don't. It was the buyers of the rolls that came up with the idea that they could save the rolls and that somehow they would be worth a lot at some point down the road because the rolls were original. And of course it is the thinking of the buyers in the secondary market that if they buy these saved rolls that they will find high grade examples hidden inside - thus enabling them to become rich ! I guess what I'm trying to tell you is that people created their own monster here. Of course it was bound to happen because people have always been drawn to the "buying a pig in a poke" scheme. Put anything in a container where the potential buyer cannot see it, imply that what is inside that container (in this case a roll) might just be worth something - and people will fall all over themselves to buy it, and pay dearly for it. Just think for a minute, unopened Mint and Proof sets, unsearched rolls, original bags, original bank rolls, original Mint rolls, the list goes on and on. And every single one of them is that very old scheme of buying a pig in a poke - every one ! It has worked for as long as man has existed, no reason for it to stop working now. But nobody likes to be told that.
Well yes, but - only if & when you add moisture into the equation. We used to have a member here named Catman, he was an old timer & a dear friend of mine that lived in Vegas. He passed quite a few years ago, but he told the story here on the forum of how he experimented with the wrapping coins in aluminum foil to protect them from the paper rolls. He would take a roll of BU cents, roll the coins up in aluminum foil, then insert that into the paper roll. He left some of those rolls alone for almost 50 years, never touched them. But he stored them properly to protect them from the air and humidity. When he opened those rolls and examined the coins, every single one of them looked like they had just come fresh from the mint. No toning, no spotting, no corrosion. Now if you go back far enough you can find where he himself related that story right here on this forum. And I personally went to his house and watched him open a few of those rolls. The secret was and is proper storage. It works.
Interesting long term experiment. So, has anyone experimented long term with proper storage and no aluminum foil or is the foil necessary?
I have bought "experiments" as they were. It always boils down like Doug said to moisture. I have seen rolls from the 50/60's in nice shape, others with corroded coins inside. Why risk it when plastic tubes are so cheap?
This thread is why I love this place so much. The amount of knowledge is vast. Now I'm not going to start rolling my coins in foil, but if I ever need to I know what to do. At least I've got plenty of tubes for my rolls.
Actually, the mint doesn't 'roll' on site and contracts out that rolling process to String & Sons. Now who makes the fancy paper for mint wrappers I couldn't tell ya.......
Not really because the point that Chris brought up earlier is quite valid. That being - if copper and aluminum are in contact with each other and then exposed to moisture, that moisture can even be high humidity, then corrosion will absolutely occur, and very quickly. So one little whoops - and your coins are ruined.
But what I was thinking is that the aluminum is a more active metal than the copper or silver, so any corrosion that occurs would be on the aluminum.
You never know with cent rolls even with proper storage. When you open the roll, anything is possible.