1921 Peace Dollar - PCGS Designation

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  1. DUNK 2

    DUNK 2 Well-Known Member

    Maybe I'm wrong about this, but I thought that all 1921 Peace Dollars were considered to be "high relief." If true, why are some (for example, in MS64 grades) designated by PCGS as "high relief" and others are not?
     
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  3. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    I don't know why PCGS does this, but it seems inconsistent.
     
  4. iGradeMS70

    iGradeMS70 AKA BustHalfBrian

    The "high relief" designation is requested by the submitter on the submission form to be stated on the holder.

    I think it's sort of like a die variety attribution, which would means there's another fee involved. But that's just my theory.
     
  5. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    NGC does it too.... I'm not sure why... I have a 21 sitting at NGC right now they have designated as a high relief. I didn't pay any extra for the attribution.
     
  6. DUNK 2

    DUNK 2 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the replies. I have an MS64 designated by PCGS as high relief. Just thought maybe I was missing something ($$$ :smile) other than just being an inconsistent designation.
     
  7. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    They were all minted as high relief. The designation seems to be luck of the draw.
     
  8. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    They want the extra $24 for the "variety fee"
     
  9. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Might depend on how the coin is described on the submission form. Submit you dollar and call it high relief on the form and the guy opening the packages and entering them into the computer types in High Relief, your coin comes back labeled High Relief. Just say 1921 Peace dollar on the form and it doesn't come back as High relief.
     
  10. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    Not with my submission. It was just listed as 1921 silver dollar.
     
  11. DUNK 2

    DUNK 2 Well-Known Member

    The mystery continues :confused:
     
  12. illini420

    illini420 1909 Collector

    PCGS always puts something extra on the label for 1921 Peace Dollars to differentiate them from the 1921 Morgan Dollars. Usually they put the word "Peace" on the label (and "Morgan" on the Morgans). Older PCGS slabs also would include the words "High Relief" but I do not think you can get them to do it on a submission today. The older slabs that also say "High Relief" use the same coin number (PCGS #7356) as the newer slabs that just say "Peace."
     
  13. brg5658

    brg5658 Well-Known Member

    This topic was addressed recently on the NGC forum.

    D.W. Lange (the director of research at NGC) commented directly in that thread that:

    "Adding HIGH RELIEF was a marketing decision, not a numismatic one. I believe the Red Book labels it this way, too, and dealers didn't want customers to be disappointed by not seeing it. The situation is similar to specifying RAYS on 1866 nickels and ARROWS on 1874 dimes; they don't exist without those features, but many type coin buyers expect to see them."

    I presume the reasoning for such a designation on the PCGS slabs is similar. There is NO additional cost for this designation at NGC, and you get it without requesting it. If PCGS is charging for such a designation I would be surprised, as every 1921 Peace Dollar qualifies.

    Take away message is, don't get your britches all in a bunch. Much ado about nothing here...
     
  14. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    Here is a photo depicting my 1921 Peace dollar slab.
     

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  15. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Nice looking coin. Very good eye appeal for a '21. So many ones that have the dull appearance, even if MS. That one is nice. :)
     
  16. DUNK 2

    DUNK 2 Well-Known Member

    My 1921 Peace is in a newer PCGS holder and carries the "high relief" designation.
     
  17. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

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    Here is mine, and it does't say anything special.
     
  18. DUNK 2

    DUNK 2 Well-Known Member

    :headbang: :dismay: Britches are all good.
     
  19. DUNK 2

    DUNK 2 Well-Known Member

    Great coin Morgan!!!!
     
  20. illini420

    illini420 1909 Collector

    Does your coin have the "series" and "coin" number on the label as well... I haven't seen any of the newer blue labeled holders say "high relief." But I have seen the older blue labeled holders that list the series and coin number have "high relief" on the label as well.

    Since we're posting pics, here's a short video of my MS64+ example (with a repeater serial number, haha):

    [video=youtube_share;wNY78ufnt5g]http://youtu.be/wNY78ufnt5g[/video]
     
  21. DUNK 2

    DUNK 2 Well-Known Member

     
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