1889-CC morgan Smart purchase or REALLY BAD one.

Do you know how exactly to use that info... I've seen it, tried to understand it and was mildly confused. Also, can we look past craigslist and just look at the coin? I know it was a gamble. That's why I took a guy that I believe knows coins relatively well with me. Now back to the info on that page... If you understand it and would care to elaborate that would be great.

 

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Care to elaborate?

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OK, Morgandude, after that analysis, we'll never find out how much the OP paid for the coin.

 

And it has the ashen color and mushy devices of a cast coin. I know this look. I once dropped an entire paycheck on a fake Trade Dollar.

 

Ashen color? As in somewhat of a frosty look? Cause if that's the case then I must have 3 fake slabbed CC morgans by pcgs.

 

It might be the pic - if it's a scan, scans make everything look ashen and mushy. So it could just be the image. What I mean by ashen is the lack of mint luster.

 

That is subject to opinion...

And you are very close-minded. Not sure how you can tell a darn thing about the "proportions of the devices" from the photos provided.

Closer examination is needed before jumping to conclusions...... Or is it just that I'm an optimist?

PS: This is your "teenage morgan dollar expert" weighing in... :rollling: What the heel do I know!

 

FWIW, the reverse overlays identically with a real one from Heritage - every device and every dentical.

 

The article is relatively straightforward, but you have the coin in hand and we don't. There were only 6 die pairs used to strike the 89-CC. It shouldn't be that hard to go through each die pair and compare yours to the photos.

If you believe that your friend is knowledgeable, then perhaps you could have him help you with the diagnostics. Like I said, you have the coin.

Chris

 

First off why does this always happen in forums.... It's already 2 pages in and the discussion hasn't been very constructive... How about this, let's slow down this steam roller and maybe let me ask a few things before this thread gets cluttered.

1) what are... proportions of the devices?

2) FWIW, the reverse overlays identically with a real one from Heritage - every device and every dentical. What?

3) The article is relatively straightforward... Maybe to you. I get the idea that I'm supposed to look for telltale signs to authenticate this.... If I knew how to do this myself I would come into the forum.... CORRECT?

4) How about we be constructive with all this and work together to help me learn and understand.

Is that possible?

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Rob, to answer #2,

Heritage is a auction site for coins, meaning that the details of your coin are identical from real ones that are on heritage.

See;

Ha.com

 

Did you buy this 1889 CC from a Chinese person? :devil:

 

Hardy har har

I've heard of HA.... but how do you do a comparison? Especially what you mentioned earlier.
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I would guess enlarge the photos, but I can't tell you, I wasn't the one who compared it.

The fact of the matter here is, no one here can tell you 100% it's fake, no matter how much they proclaim their an expert. Why? Because no one has the coin in hand. Just send it in to a TPG imo.

 

I don't know, but I need larger photos to look at and to me, a novice, the coin looks cleaned maybe that's why the color is off and not cast.

 

I plan on sending it out. So that's settled. In the mean time I figured I'd pick up some knowledge. I may have the coin but that doesn't mean I can't try to take some close ups to see if any of the specific dies don't match to what's on the coin. I came here to try to decipher, with the help of the community the coin I have. It maybe not be proved real or fake here in this thread, but at least I'd learn something and potentially narrow down some results. Not having the coin doesn't mean an effort can't be made to try and examine it. If others believe that I should just go look at the link posted earlier and figure it out myself, then I'll be on my merry way.

 

We all know this is a rare high dollar coin. The OP's example seems to be in pretty good shape. The obverse does not appear to have mint luster (could be the pic) but the reverse does appear to have mint luster. Either way, this coin appears to be a high dollar coin. The OP wants to know how he did, I want to know how much he paid for it. Usually this is not something we ask out of politeness, but given the situation, I am surprised nobody else is backing me up on this request.

C'mon Oz, how much did you pay for it from someone off Craigslist?

 

BE ADVISED.

If you send it in, and they deem it's fake, they WILL NOT slab it. They will also not refund you grading fees either. Your gonna waste 30 some odd dollars if you send it in.

 

Rob, first get yourself a better scale if you wish to buy such coins. Weight check is one of the best defenses nowadays.

Second, if you did not write out a huge check for this coin and its real you just made tens of thousands. Ask yourself why would the seller be so generous and not get it certified himself?

I cannot easily condemn the coin from a photo because they are getting better fakes. I have been around coins 35 years and have to stop and study the new ones before i can see they are fake.

You are welcone here as are all, but just understand where we are coming from.

Chris

 

I see no problems sending it in for authenticity. But, I just want to point out that dent on the rim. Not sure how that would affect the grade or status of the coin.