2012 Presidential Dollar Error

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by JPAUL, Dec 30, 2012.

  1. JPAUL

    JPAUL Member

    I found this coin in a new roll from the mint,do you think this could be a strike thru ? Obverse 1.jpg Obverse 2.jpg Obverse 3.jpg Obverse 4.jpg Obverse 5.jpg
     
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  3. cpm9ball

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    I can't say from your photos. What is that on the obverse at 9 o'clock?

    Chris
     
  4. It looks like PMD to me, but I could be mistaken
     
  5. JPAUL

    JPAUL Member

    Here's a close up shot. OV 1.jpg OV 2.jpg
     
  6. JPAUL

    JPAUL Member

    The new dollar rolls came from the mint but it is possible the for business strike roll to get minor marks after the coin has been minted. I don't think this is pmd.
     
  7. iGradeMS70

    iGradeMS70 AKA BustHalfBrian

    Looks like a ding, IMHO.

    Probably occurred when the coin was dropped into the tote bag at an angle, hitting the edge of another coin.
     
  8. cpm9ball

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    Thanks, now what is that mark at 9 o'clock?


    Chris
     
  9. g1rge

    g1rge Member

    Hey Chris,
    I see what you.re looking at. Possible die clash?
     
  10. JPAUL

    JPAUL Member

    I think this is the spot. OV 3.jpg
     
  11. cpm9ball

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    I can't say for sure what either of them are.

    Chris
     
  12. abuckmaster147

    abuckmaster147 Well-Known Member

    I HAVE FOUND SEVERAL Opps Sorry for the caps, Like that on the state quarters and pres dollars I have always fig they were errors from bag bouncing, LOL
     
  13. HowardStern

    HowardStern Member

    This is PMD. Not a Die Clash or Strike Through. Its a bag ding from another coin.
    I am pretty up to date on presidential dollar errors.
     
  14. JPAUL

    JPAUL Member

    Here's a new photo with different lighting, do you think this could be a die clash looking at this photo? OV 4.jpg
     
  15. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    Contact mark from another coin.Keep up the hunt!
     
  16. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Another possiblity is a flaw in the planchet prestrike that wasn't wiped out fully. From the pictures I just can't tell what it is for sure.
     
  17. JPAUL

    JPAUL Member

    I think you are right,it probably occurred during the planchet preparation process.One possibility is during the upended rim stage where the rim becomes slightly raised and rounds off to the center of the planchet there could have been a problem with this stage.Look at the photo below notice those fine particles around the spot in question it appears to be some type of shavings and fine shavings near the rim also Chris notice something similar at the 9 o'clock spot. OV 4.jpg
     
  18. HowardStern

    HowardStern Member

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    Ive found many presidentials just like this one. Its just a ding. Its not clashed with anything.
    I have a few graded Washington and Jefferson dollar die clashes that look nothing like this.
    Ive been studying presidential errors for a long time and have just about seen them all.
     
  19. JPAUL

    JPAUL Member

    No it's not a clash,this is just my theory the minor ding occurred during the planchet preparation process and the ding was so minor that it was allowed to be struck in to a coin,from what i read this is not uncommon at the mint.I also know that the coins not headed for mint sets those coins are dumped into bends so it's possible pmd.My theory comes from looking at the fine shavings like spots near the ding.
     
  20. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    The better picture in post 16 has me stongly leaning toward a void in the planchet at the time of striking. It doesn't look like a hit and smooth surface with not abrupt termination on the shallow side has me leaning away from a strike through.
     
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