1873 cc Trade Dollar

This is an 1873 cc Trade Dollar, What grade do you think it is?? I kinda know what it is worth. Thank You
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Tom

 

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i personally would be more worried about it being authentic. have you weighed it? put a magnet to it? i think its condition would be in the high au low ms range but it looks like it has been cleaned. but i also have my doubts about it being real

 

Looks counterfeit.

 

+1

It kinda has that Chinese cast/counterfeit look. But better pics would help...

 

Doesn't look real to me. Even if it turns out to be real it looks harshly cleaned.

 

it does look counterfeit to me as well.

 

It only weights 346 grains, is non-magnetic. I received it in a large lot of coins in 2005. I'm not experianced in grading. How can I tell with out damaging the coin if it is silver. It in my example of the coin.
Tom

 

It is counterfeit. Look at the reverse--all out of proportion, and very crudely struck.

 

I'd say fake. Pull up pics online and compare. I concentrated on the reverse/eagle - close but......

 

It should weigh 420 grains, so if it's the correct size, no way it's silver.

 

Your answer is in bold. These weigh 420 grains.

 

http://coinauctionshelp.com/silverdollars/1873_cc_trade_dollar_silver_dollar.html
Look at the detail in the stars, the feathers, and the position of the Carson City mint mark.

 

From these pics it looks fake , but with better pics who knows . After blowing it up I say it's fake . IMHO Everything is correct for a Type1/ Type1 , but everything looks mushy and for all the details showing the details should be sharper , so unless the pics are fooling me it's fake .

 

Then definitely fake . Buying any Trade dollar raw is a risk even if the weight is correct .

 

Another big giveaway is the lack of any luster for that high of a grade. There's nothing in the protected areas, it's flat all over.

 

Also looks like the 3 in the date is "replaceable," so the same dies can be used to strike other years. And the serif on the "1" in the date is much larger than the illustration in the Redbook, although there may be varieties of numerals, I don't know.

 

It is a fake, I thank you all for looking at fake coin, I learned a lot form your comments and web reference to the real coin. This coin is only my example of the real coin and to show what a counterfeit is. The coin is smaller and lighter then what the real coin is. I did not buy it as the real thing only found in a large lot of coins I purchased in 2005. I thought it might be silver and did not want to damage the coin trying to find out. It may not be silver though it is not magnetic. Is it worth any thing as a counterfit?? It might though I am keeping it as an example only. I like the coin and I have several plug nickles to go with it.
Again thanks for looking at my counterfit and giving me the great information and sources.
Tom

 

That's what we're all here for, to learn . Even though it's a relatively crude example , I'd mark it with the word copy so no one else down the line will think it's the real deal , It's illegal to sell a known counterfeit without the word copy on it at least I'm pretty sure it is . I know another forum where someone donated several fake Morgans to sell , they had someone stamp them with the word copy before that was done . We all have heard stories of people getting a rare coin that was in there family for decades only to have it turn out as a modern fake . Even if you never sell it you never know what will happen down the line as we are only custodians to our coins for awhile .

 

ms10-20

 

What the heck does "ms10-20" mean??