Does anyone know....................

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by cpm9ball, Dec 19, 2012.

  1. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    I've heard that Augustus (the Roman emperor Augustus) collected coins of the world & gave coin sets as gifts. This would mean that there were probably several coin collectors out in the field trading coins. They would then need to bring the coins back to Rome for subsequent trading with Augustus. This was probably all accomplished without a grey sheet or TPG. :devil:
     
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I don't think there is any doubt that the Chinese were the first inventors of coins. Or that they were the first coin collectors.

    But it is still a commonly held belief that the Lydians invented coins around 700 B.C. because that is what has been said countless times in books are articles. But like any mistaken belief, it takes a long, long time, before that belief can be supplanted by the truth. But eventually it will happen.
     
  4. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    I only meant to say that there is earlier evidence of collecting in the far east than in the west.

    The debate over who invented the first coins is fraught with nationalistic drive for one region or the other to be older. The earliest spade coins date to circa 700-600 BC, while the earliest Lydian electrum to the same period (though now believed to be on the newer end of that spectrum.) My complaint is that the spades are really more of a protocurrency and, if we count that, then we might as well count hacksilber. I'm just saying we should compare apples to apples.

     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Well, when you consider that the Chinese were advanced enough that they had already gotten around to inventing the note, paper money if you will, in 118 B.C., it sounds pretty reasonable that they had had coins for a long time before that.
     
  6. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    Cowrie shells were in use during the Western Zhou dynasty, c. 1122-771. I am inclined to count them. Do you? What I'm saying is that we should also count whatever western parallels exist.
     
  7. cpm9ball

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    This has been an interesting thread. I want to thank all those for their input. Keep it coming!

    I'm glad now that I asked this dumb question. LOL!

    Chris
     
  8. coleguy

    coleguy Coin Collector

    As has been implied here, I'd bet there have been coin collectors for as long as there have been coins. But, I'd also bet there have been money collectors long before there were coins, in that there have been shell and rock and other forms of money collectors since man first began using objects to buy other objects. Its in our nature so it's a reasonable assumption.
    Guy
     
  9. cpm9ball

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    I'll bet those guys who used shells for money had it made. If they wanted to go to a house of ill-repute, all they had to do was take a walk on the beach and collect some shells.

    Chris
     
  10. coleguy

    coleguy Coin Collector

    Yep, the true golden era of human existence. We sure missed out.
    Guy
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Well, we're talking about coins, not the various things used as money. And to me, for something to be considered as being a coin in early history, it has to made by man. Not just something collected like shells.
     
  12. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    Most shell money is prepared in some labor-intensive way, generally ground down to beads and/or holed and strung. At the very least it's carried (by humans) from far away. People assume that because it's made of shells it's cheap. But if something were so abundant and easy to acquire as that, it would never be used as money.

    EDIT: I don't mean to say that cowrie shells are coins. I'm trying to stress the idea that coinage wasn't invented, so much as evolved over time from other forms of exchange.
     
  13. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    And if they didn't have to add extra labor to make the shells into money, you can probably bet the valuable shells would be a variety that was NOT common in the local area.
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    We are in agreement ;)
     
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