Real 1922 weak d or tampered coin?

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  1. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    1922nod2.JPG 1922nod.JPG 22nod2.JPG 22nod.JPG

    Looking at buying this coin, just want to know if it's the real deal. Thanks guys.

    Wants $50, good deal?
     
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  3. lonegunlawyer

    lonegunlawyer Numismatist Esq.

    It appears to be a real (non-doctored) weak 1922D. Figuring, if I was in the market, I would pay $400-$600 for a no D in that condition, I would say $50 is a really good deal (if it truly is real).

    Do you detect any sign of doctoring?
     
  4. Ripley

    Ripley Senior Member

    Is there impact damage on the reverse ????
     
  5. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    The pictures posted are the only ones I have. Has a 14 day return policy.
     
  6. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure what that means?
     
  7. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    here are the same pictures of the back only bigger. no22.jpg no221.jpg


    Sorry they're so crappy, it was taken from my computer screen.
     
  8. Ripley

    Ripley Senior Member

    Well, from your photo. I would think its real. Coingrads. :)
     
  9. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    What grade would you consider this coin?
     
  10. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Well, it is not die pair #1, die pair #2 (there is no such thing), or die pair #4. I have reservations of it being die pair #3 either, but your pictures are way too poor to say that for sure - particularly the reverse picture. FWIW, if he could tell you that the reverse reverse was rotated about 15° CCW, then it would probably be real. All-in-all, $50 for an uncertified coin from probably the most counterfeited coin out there, I would shy away from.

    You posted better pictures of the reverse. FAKE!
     
  11. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member


    It's fake? Like not a real coin or a doctored coin?
     
  12. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

  13. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Either doctored or just not a recognized die pair. There is no way I could tell a modern fake from those pictures.
     
  14. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member


    He did just say there was no rotation of the die.
     
  15. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    So here is what you have. There are 4 and only 4 die pairs recognized (see http://www.lincolncentresource.com/1922Ddievarieties.html)
    Die pair #1 TRUST has strong T, U, and T. Your does not.
    Die pair #2 there is no such thing as a weak "D" for this pair.
    Die pair #3 has the reverse rotated CCW, your is not along with a couple other differences.
    Die pair #4 bust abuts the rim. Your does not.

    Your coin matches none of the recognized die pairs
     
  16. Shoewrecky

    Shoewrecky Coin Hoarder

    I would listen to RLM, he is extremely knowledgable when it comes to Lincoln Cents.

    Just wanted to post and say something positive :)

    My good deed is done for the day lol jk
     
  17. lonegunlawyer

    lonegunlawyer Numismatist Esq.

    rim's, you don't think it's a weak D?
     
  18. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    For $50 I'd say no way! Don't waste your money on "weak D" 1922's unless it's in an ANACS slab.....because they grade the no D's as "weak". IMO, the whole D thing is way over-rated anyway. It's simply a result of the mint over polishing dies. $50 will buy a pretty nice, plain old 22D.
     
  19. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    I don't really look at graded coins to put into my album because I'd have to break it out of the casing and I really don't want to destory the coin why trying to get it out of the slab! Maybe I'll check out the ANACS listings for the 22 weak.

    I already have a very nice 1922D in my album but for some reason every book has the 1922 Plain slot, even though it was an error. It's the closest thing to actually getting the 1922 Plain error. Since the 1922 Plain is required to finish a book how come the 1955 DD isn't in the books, it's a lot more common than the 1922 P. :dead-horse:Sorry, just seems dumb to me. They're errors, shouldn't be counted as a coin needed for the series.
     
  20. d.t.menace

    d.t.menace Member

    Just because someone said that a coin has to be included in a set doesn't mean you have to include it. I have a blank planchet I found in a wheatie lot in the 22 plain hole. For my money that's about as plain as you can get.:smile And I can say it's really a '22 and nobody can tell me different.;)
    I have all the dates and mint marks of the Lincoln wheats, to me that's a complete set.
     
  21. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    This is one of many reasons why I don't use an album. Here's my 22 no D that I had slabbed. These are actually harder to find than the DP2 coins. If you look around, you'll eventually find one of these for that slot. I sold a nice, raw one for like $80 last year.
     

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