CGA vs PMG/PCGS

Discussion in 'Paper Money' started by funkee, Nov 9, 2012.

  1. funkee

    funkee Tender, Legal

    I'm digging through past auction records in Track & Price, and I see a remarkable difference in prices paid for CGA notes versus PCGS or PMG notes of the same grade.

    I know that CGA is not top gun, but I figured they are well known and respected enough to command somewhat similar prices.

    I was surprised when I looked at Fr. 2300 the $1 Hawaii Silver Certificate in 68 grade.

    PCGS 68 PPQ - August 2012 - $1,645.
    CGA 68 - April 2012 - $370.
    PCGS 68 PPQ - April 2012 - $1,035.
    PCGS 68 PPQ - January 2012 - $1,380.
    CGA 68 OPQ - November 2011 - $361.66.

    This pattern repeats itself among other notes and grades as well. I didn't think that CGA was so lenient or so disrespected in their grading to result in such a dramatic difference in price.

    If they were that much more lenient I would expect many more CGA notes when compared to PCGS. Looking through past auctions, they're very close. For 68 grade, we have 12 CGA and 9 PCGS, with 1 PMG which hooked $2,185 in 2008. For 67 grade, we have 32 CGA vs 34 PCGS vs 30 PMG.

    So why is there such a dramatic difference in price? Why all the hate for CGA?
     
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  3. SteveInTampa

    SteveInTampa Always Learning

    The Fr.2300 encompasses everything from the common S-C block through the somewhat rare A-C block. You can pick-up a GEM S-C block for under $200, and the GEM A-C block can run 5 to 10 times that amount regardless of the TPG name on the holder.
     
  4. From what I understand they still have a stain from grading issue before being purchase by current owners. I guess it is significant enough that the notes graded since the new ownership have a star on them (below is a picture of a holder I found on Ebay). At least that is my understanding. From what I have heard they have done a good job since the ownership change. Hopefully this information is correct.

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  5. SteveInTampa

    SteveInTampa Always Learning

    This is correct. I'll add that the CGA brand was purchased April 13th 2009 by John Spinelli and they added a STAR to the back of the holder. About a year ago, CGA revised their holders. They made them 30% thicker and added the STAR to the front of the holder. All three TPG's have a currency forum and of the three major currency graders, (PCGS, PMG & CGA), CGA is the only one that does not require annual membership fees to grade your notes.
     
  6. funkee

    funkee Tender, Legal

    Ah yes, I forgot about the various blocks of the Hawaii series. I will take a look at that tonight and see if that accounts for the price difference.
     
  7. funkee

    funkee Tender, Legal

    They are all SC and PC blocks - both equally common.

    Only the $2,185 2008 sale was for a YB note.
     
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