The beauty of patterns

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Kirkuleez, Jul 31, 2012.

  1. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    It looks like a slow news night tonight, so I thought I would add some more of my favorite patterns. This time, I am focusing on the ones that I am searching for. Along with the standard proof issues, I would like to assemble a set of Liberty nickel patterns. An all inclusive pattern collection would consist of 39 pieces which is 8 more coins than the complete proof collection. A monumental task it would be to collect the entire collection, so these are the ones that I am concentrating on.

    The first pattern to be produce by Charles Barber was the 1881 J-1671, Rarity-6+.

    1881 J-1671.jpg

    The obverse design is quite familiar, but the reverse design is quite different. The Roman numeral for five surrounded by a wreath is reminiscent of the nickel three cent pieces of the day.

    The second is the 1882 J-1682.

    1882 J-1682.jpg

    Similar design with the addition of "E Pluribus Unum" to the reverse. Which for those who do not know is Latin for "of many, one".

    Last is the 1882 J-1690.

    1882 J-1690.jpg

    After eighteen tries, and although many more patterns were created after this one, this pattern was chosen for the regular issues beginning in 1883. No one would realize the error of omitting the word cents from the reverse until the following year.
     
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  3. TheCavalier

    TheCavalier New Member

    I really enjoy these mini blurbs you give on patterns. I can definitely see dabbling in these in the future.
     
  4. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    I have been out-bid on the Judd 1690 a couple of times. It was on my want list but they sell for so much money that I've lost some interest in obtaining one. It would make a nice addition to any V-nickel proof set.
     
  5. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    I hate to say it, but I was likely bidding against you. They are just too scarce to pass up the opportunity to acquire one. I try to do a few patterns with every proof set that I do, for Liberty nickels, I have only been able to get the 1883 J-1714 and the 1883 copper J-1718. I have a friend that has an 1883 aluminum J-1713, but so far, I've been unable to pry it from his grip. I thought it would be nice to have all of the major design changes and all three metal compositions represented.
     
  6. easj3699

    easj3699 Well-Known Member

    the 1855 is the only pattern coin i have ever been able to hold in my hand. i talked to the man who owned it and said he has the choice between this and an 1856. he regretted not getting the '56. i think his graded 63 if i remember correctly
     
  7. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    Value not withstanding, I agree with his decision. A 1856 is an easy coin to find, the J-168 (original strike) is fairly tough to get.
     
  8. easj3699

    easj3699 Well-Known Member

    i agree with it as well, but it would be pretty neat to own an 1856. one thing i have noticed though is even though there are not many pattern coins around the prices aren't out of this world. but it is a while different story actually finding them which is one of the best things about coin collecting, finding that one piece you have been looking for for 2 years.
     
  9. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

  10. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    I have no patients for that. Show me a beautiful coin and I'm hooked.
     
  11. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    Time for another installment of my favorite patterns. The Morgan dollar is arguably the most collected series on the planet, but its creation was not without drama. Despite much resistance from then chief engraver Charles Barber, who must have seen the hiring of George T. Morgan as a threat to his command of the mints designs, the British engraver set out to design his renound piece as a minor coin pattern. The half dollar size was selected because the pattern could be easily scaled to lower denomination coinage. There were dozens of patterns created for this purpose in both copper and silver. Here are a few of my favorite designs.

    J-1506 obverse.jpg j-1506 reverse.jpg J-1513 obverse.jpg J-1513 reverse.jpg
     
  12. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

  13. SPP Ottawa

    SPP Ottawa Numismatist

    Beautiful coins in this thread. Thanks all for sharing. Here is a Canadian pattern piece of mine. Canadian patterns are generally quite scarce, with populations of less than 10 for most pieces. This is a pattern piece of the popular 1967 bobcat 25-cent, but struck in 100% nickel. In 1968, Canadian 25-cent coins switched from silver alloy composition to 100% nickel. Before sending this pattern into PCGS, it was fun to see the reactions of Canadian 25-cent collectors, when seeing this piece stick to a magnet. This pattern is considered to be a specimen strike, catalogued as DC-34.

    Although nobody really knows for sure, there are estimated 7 to 10 pieces known. A piece graded MS-63 piece sold at a Canadian auction in 2007 (for some reason, ICCS grades these as business strikes):

    http://www.icollector.com/1967-Nickel-Pattern-DC-34-ICCS-MS-63_i7004221

    I know of a few other pieces in ICCS holders (ranging from SP-60 to SP-64) and two of the nicest pieces are in PCGS holders at SP-64 (one of which is this one).

    http://www.pcgs.com/pop/detail.aspx?c=4573&p=SP&t=3

    Being the popular Canadian 1967 design, this is a very desirable pattern, but hard to find. Enjoy.

    25c_PCGS_SP64_DC-34_obv.jpg 25c_PCGS_SP64_DC-34_rev.jpg
     
  14. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    The most reasonable price wise judd pattern
    I have been offered was 1867 Quarter .but that price was 4-5k!
    to far out my new budget!!!
     
  15. Derick

    Derick Well-Known Member

    I bought this pattern last week. It is a copper pattern for the Chile 1836 gold 8 Escudos. I am not sure if it is 1836 IJ PN 4 or 5.

    PN 4_5 Chile 1836 IJ 8 Escudos copper pattern rev.jpg PN 4_5 Chile 1836 IJ 8 Escudos copper pattern obv.jpg
     
  16. Doug21

    Doug21 Coin Hoarder

    I love patterns !
     
  17. yarm

    yarm Junior Member Supporter

    After I retired, US patterns were simply too expensive for me to collect. Here's the last one I sold.

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    Originally thought to be J-165b (bronze) but a metalurgical analysis showed it to be pure copper, unlisted in Judd. Go to uspatterns.com for in-depth information on all us patterns.
     
  18. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

  19. Derick

    Derick Well-Known Member

    Wow, how much would that dime go for? OK, you have link sorry. Damn!
     
  20. Derick

    Derick Well-Known Member

    Have posted this before, but will show again. This pattern Km Pn 84 that was suppose to be on the 2001 - Chile 50 pesos. I found the strike very weak and was most likely rejected because of that. The metal alloy used also did not have very good eye appeal. The O Higgins coin is better in my opinion.

    KM Pn84 Chile 2001 50 pesos pattern obv.jpg KM Pn84 Chile 2001 50 pesos pattern  rev.jpg
    KM 219.2 2001 Chile 50 pesos obv.JPG KM 219.2 2001 Chile 50 pesos rev.JPG
     
  21. blu62vette

    blu62vette Member

    Nice thread, some patterns are just amazing.

    Not mine, just the photographer:

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