the girl friend picked this up today. does anybody know if this is a variety or just a one off doubling. cents is almost all double and the bottom of the wreath. thanks in advance and i hope the pictures are alright.
The image is distorted but the the doubling appears to be shelf-like. Therefore it is most likely strike doubling rather than a doubled die.
thank you for the correction. it looks like the word cent was struck twice. i know penny people know all sorts of varieties and didnt know if this was one or not.
The lettering was done with a multigang punch and sometimes if struck too deep produced a flattened shoulder around the lettering. This is sometimes called "Longacre's doubling" . See down 8 types at this page. http://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles/OtherFormsOfDoubling.htm A give-away is seen on the "E N" of CENT. Notice that the apparent "doubling" occurs all around the letter and is flat, that represents the shoulder of the punch, with the angle such that it is almost straight down, so the outline is all around 4 sides rather than just a couple. There may be some mechanical doubling damage at the wreath, but in any case, it wouldn't be a DDR, Doubled die reverse.
yeah the C and E are almost identical to mine. what about the N? thats the one thing that does look like there is two struck there. or am i trying to see something that isnt there?
You are mixing up several terms. A coin that was struck twice is not the same as a coin struck (once) by a doubled die. Two different animals entirely. You coin does not appear to be either. As I said earlier, it appears to have strike doubling (another entirely different animal with no collector value).
so technically speaking a double die is a die that has everything doubled while the double strike is a coin that was struck twice slightly off?
wait wait. I'm not saying that. I'm saying if the letters where struck into the die to include the shoulder, that is as much of a variety and any other.
Yes, except the second strike (for the double-struck coin) does not have to be slightly (or significantly) off for it to be double struck. Proof coins are struck multiple times and the Mint tries to prevent the additional strikes from being misaligned. Note that all coins struck by a die with doubling will have that doubling.
thank you for clearing that up. i dont do much with copper and i do NOTHING with any sort of doubling, strike doubling, longacre double, or any other type of doubling or error-ish (i know longacre isn't an error). so again thank you
Similar in my opinion to the placing of a mint mark on lincoln dies by hand. If they are within a certain area they can vary in location and how deep they are placed, but they aren't considered varieties unless it is a visible repunch ( doubled) different from the first. Longacre's occur on the die, but experienced collectors do not consider them a variety as they are considered properly punched if the position is not moved. Jim
