As an aside, (as the OP modified his post to say US coins), there is no way to know about your Roman. The Romans, especially in this period, made tens of millions of coins every year. Yours could have had a million or more examples struck, unless you narrow it down to officiana number or design differences, even then it well could he hundreds of thousands easily. Just because a coin is ancient does not mean its not terribly common. Making millions of coins is not a modern phenomenon.
1909 VDB MPL CoinFacts and the newer Red Books have 1194 as being minted while the older Red Books have 420. The 1916 as said earlier is 1050.
shown elsewhere: 1913 S Barber Quarter, 40,000 minted also, the 1916 Stand Lib quarter, mintage 72,000
If we're talking strictly US government minted coins, I have some half dimes with mintages under 20,000, but they aren't rare or worth much at all. If we're allowing US tokens, I have some that have an estimated survival number of 8 or less. If we're talking US paper money I have a not that is one of three known. None of these pieces were expensive, by the way. Rare doesn't equal pricey. Guy
I always thought it weird to say each coin has two mintages, business strike and proof. Personally I never considered a proof version as a separate mintage, just a subcategory of total mintage. To me, if 5 million 1913 cents exist, that is the mintage. Maybe they only made 1000 proofs, but that is just a subset of the total existence of 5 million 1913 cents. I know, I am probably just weird.
Right, since proof coins were made for collectors so they make less of them. They make the amount they can sell.
Makes sense. I'd interpreted the proof figure to be separate from the business strike figure, as it is printed. I guess it just depends on the publication of the statistics? How is it meant to be interpreted in, say, the redbook?
No change for me since last month when this question came up. See my pic here (Post #49) > http://www.cointalk.com/t212959-4/
Well, it all how you look at it. You can break it down even further and say Denver and SF issues are just a subset of the year. Whats the real difference of where they were minted and a small die punch. Just perspective........
I understand sir. Its just, to me, there were XXX,XXX lincoln cents produced in Philadelphia in 1913. To me, that has always been the mintage. The fact that a few of them were proofs does not change the fact that a certain number were made with that date and (lack of), mintmark. Its really more telling on issues like SL halves of the 1880's and similar items. People trumpet "only 5k made), without saying how many proofs were ALSO made for that date, and collectors will freely buy either for a date set. I know, just my off centered view of it.
You must also remember in alot of the cases the proof and business strikes are slightly different makeing them very much different coins. the 1878 morgan is a good example there are the 8 tail feather, 7 tail feather and 1879 reverse strikes, would you lump those all together as a single minting?
Not always true which is why I specified business strike on my coin. They only made 1000 coins for circulation, but 3790 proofs. A proof 1885 is not hard to come by and isn't worth much more than the other proofs, but a business strike is extremely difficult to come by. When you see sets of nickel three cent pieces in the major auctions they tend to either be all proof coins, or if they are MS sets the 84, 85, and 87 coins in the sets are NOT MS and instead are represented by proofs because the business strikes are just so hard to come by. My set is all business strikes and at the moment is only lacking the 1884.