1880 O Morgan. What does it grade?

The point is you took the discussion off on a tangent suggesting a coin grading 60-62 should have "no wear". Specifically, you said "The criteria for a coin to make a BU grade, which is MS60 - 62 it can have no traces of wear."

I disagreed within the context of this discussion -- a thread that's about how TPGs grade coins, and noting your response was to someone who was talking about TPG grades.

Your response to that was to go on a tangent related to ANA grading, followed by a reference to the Redbook -- neither of which are germane to this discussion.

If you cannot acknowledge that point I don't know what to say, and I will give you the break you ask for.

Take care...Mike

p.s. As for your follow-on post... PCGS does not follow their written standards, in practice, and with respect to this topic. Again, they seem to distinguish the difference between AU and MS mostly around field wear (e.g. luster impairment in the fields) and not high point wear. Said a bit more directly, be careful from confusing their words and their actions.

 

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As I said, my response which you graciously tried to deflate as being untrue, was to a question from another poster asking about wear and weak strike. Up until your post, all was good.

BTW, it's awful funny that PCGS's own standards from 60-62 clearly state no wear. I posted for your convenience along with the link to their site where it was found.

 

Which makes them all the more less reputable, IMO.

 

The question you responded to was about wear versus weak strike as it applies, in practice, to TPGs assigned grades. Nothing about ANA standards. Nothing about Redbook. Nothing about PCGS written standards. Here's the post, with the references to TPGs in bold:

"That is the problem I have with grading Morgans, is it wear or weakly struck. I sent coins in to be regraded that were marked AU58 and they came back MS63 or MS62. This spring I sent in a 1888-s that came back cleaned so I cracked the coin out of the holder and sent the same coin back in about a month later and the same coin came back MS62. When it comes to grading, if you don't get the grade you want and feel the coin is graded wrong, try sending the coin back in. I only do this if the coins value will increase enough to justify the cost of the regrade. The coin that this thread is about is such a great coin that I would send it in again as its value really increases in ms65. Jim"

To me, that question was all about TPG grading, and, to me, you responded incorrectly.

Listen, I'm sorry if you took offense to my disagreeing with you. I will try not to make that mistake again, and this will be my last post on this topic.

Take care...Mike

 

Well, I must say that I learned a lot about grading Morgans from this thread. I graded it an MS-63 prior to reading the experts opinions and now have moved up to at least an MS-64. Perhaps I could get a job with NGC

 

If anyone had made such a decision, it likely would have been the finalizer and not an individual grader, but I digress.... As an opinion "never" (or "zero") is totally fine, but we both know that there are no guarantees, which was the only point I was trying to make. No offense was intended.

You have made many excellent points and contributions to this thread that (hopefully) some members without TPG experience could learn from. The fact is it is not as cut and dry and some would prefer to think.

 

MS66 - Great great strike. I love it..

 

hmmm

you, my friend, are on a classic cointalk winning strike

 

huh, crack it out. Wow, 25K. Keep cracking it out until they get it right. I'm a hard grader on Morgans and I think it is an easy 65. It would at minimum get a strike bump.

 

yeah - I stick to a 66. Put it on heritage as is and it will blow the top off the bid history

 

MS 65 PL in my opinion.

 

after looking it over again, I stand by ne assessment. It is better than the coin I just posted.

 

Do you care to retract these statements after what you have learned this week about the ANA standards?

 

Nice Cheek on that lady! I'll stab at 66 PL.

 

Just an update to this thread that has sparked a lot of good discussion. This coin should be done at PCGS today or tomorrow. I'll let you know when I find out the results.

 

Pcgs 64

 

darn! Well a 64 is more valuable in a PCGS holder anyways.

 

Well, it is a bummer for the money spread but a grade is the grade

 

I'm not done yet.

 

awww man......what can it be (a '+' ??)