Details Grade or not?

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  1. au and ms coins

    au and ms coins Junior Member

    Would this coin grade details at PCGS or not? Notice the gouge on body above the shield and the scratch on the lower part of the shield.

    I know that if this were a barber dime it would be detail graded, but since it is a seated dime i thought there may be some leniency.


    I would like to hear opinions on this, plus value if detail graded. Any help would be appreciated

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    The reverse of this dime is clean and problem free.
     
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  3. iGradeMS70

    iGradeMS70 AKA BustHalfBrian

    The scratch blends well with the coin and isn't at a major focal point.

    I wouldn't be surprised if it graded cleanly, as long as the reverse checks-out. :thumb:

    Nice coin, by the way. I'm digging that "circulation cameo". :p
     
  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    In my opinion, it would be put in a Genuine slab. As it should be.
     
  5. easj3699

    easj3699 Well-Known Member

    i have to agree. not sure the term pcgs uses but i have a feeling ngc would put "environmental damage". in vf which i think this coin is grey sheet puts it at $26, even if it was worth $40 dollars it wouldn't cover the cost of grading
     
  6. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    Those scratches look old, so I think it would slab, but I do wonder what you hope to accomplish by sending to a TPG. It's a low-value coin and sinking $20+ into grading doesn't make sense to me.
     
  7. au and ms coins

    au and ms coins Junior Member

    Thanks everyone for your help!
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    As you can see, its an 1850 o, and I believe its a medium o.
    Anyone have any comments on grade or value? I would appreciate anything. Sorry for not posting a reverse picture at first.
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Just as a point of curiosity Mike, what difference does it make if the scratches are old or new ? A scratch is a scratch.
     
  9. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    I think it would have a good chance to grade cleanly, but that isn't my call.

    As for the comment about the scratch being old and that the coin may have a better chance at grading cleanly vs. one with a newer scratch, I think there is validity in the observation. We do not have to agree with how the TPGs do their business, but I have noticed many older circulated type coins with scratches, gouges, etc...that are graded as no problem coins when the imperfections are old. However, I cannot recall a shiny, minty fresh imperfection being evaluated the same way by the TPGs.
     
  10. iGradeMS70

    iGradeMS70 AKA BustHalfBrian

    An old scratch usually has developed a patina in its crevices, making it a bit less noticeable to the naked eye - as in the case of the OP's coin. If a scratch is fresh, then "luster" beneath the scratch is often exposed, making it much more pronounced and much more noticeable.

    PCGS takes this into consideration when grading.

    EDIT: Just read Tom's post. I ditto that.
     
  11. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    I think it would get a number grade, but I really don't see the point of sending it in at all. Why does everyone want to slab everything? Just put it in a nice air-tite and enjoy it.
     
  12. iGradeMS70

    iGradeMS70 AKA BustHalfBrian

    I think the OP's question of whether the coin would slab was hypothetical more than anything. It's always good to get opinions from others on whether they believe a TPG would consider a coin "problem free", even if you never plan to submit the coin at all.
     
  13. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    That's like saying roll friction wear isn't wear and the coin should be under an MS grade label.
     
  14. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    To the TPGs, it's often the difference between slabbing and not slabbing. Old scratches don't shine like new ones, and for some reason the TPGs weigh them differently.

    I don't make the rules, I only observe and report them. :)
     
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