"In God W-E Trust" How is this explained?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by cwebb00001, Sep 20, 2012.

  1. cwebb00001

    cwebb00001 Rare One of a Kind.

    Which is most likely the cause here? A) The die was damaged by foriegn debris causing a relief. B) A blister formed from within the metal alloy after it was struck. C) Trapped debris prior to the plating process caused the raised area that appears as a dash. D) The die chipped/cracked or clashed. E) This is a mystery that warrants special testing with Ultra Sonic Test Equipment.
     
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  3. rickmp

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  4. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    A is possible, as is C.

    Part of D, die chip, could be possible but it couldn't be a die crack as that would render a raised line, from the crack in the die. A die clash occurs when the anvil and hammer dies come together in the coining press and there's no planchet between them, causing an imprint from each die to appear on the opposite die.
     
  5. d.t.menace

    d.t.menace Member

    I'll go with B, gas bubble.
     
  6. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    Don't those form during, or after, the plating process as opposed to the striking?
     
  7. d.t.menace

    d.t.menace Member

    The planchets are plated before striking, not after.
     
  8. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    I know when the planchets are plated. That wasn't my question.

    What I asked was, if gas bubbles form during the plating process, as opposed to the striking process.
     
  9. d.t.menace

    d.t.menace Member

    Sorry, I misunderstood your post.
    The cause of the bubbles is in the zinc core or some contamination under the plating that causes corrosion and resulting gas pressure that bubbles up the plating.
    I don't think the strike has anything to do with them.
     
  10. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    No problem.

    That's what I thought, which is why I didn't think B was possible because the OP thought it occurred from the striking.

    Thank you.
     
  11. cwebb00001

    cwebb00001 Rare One of a Kind.

    It is still intresting that if this is a gas bubble, it is certanly a very unique place to have formed and is the most uniformed shape to have developed here. The evenly spaced pattern, the alignment of its position give such a perfect appearance of a punctuation dash. It is curious that there are no other visible signs of such impurities within this particular coin.
    If this happens to be a die gouge, then there are likely to be others with this identical error placement. Also, if it is a gouge, it again has such a defined smooth shaped centered with precision, that it appears as a dash between the letters. The odds of this error placement are astronomical.
    I will undoughtly be having it examined by ultrasonic test equipment to beter determine the nature of this error. Until such time, opinions can only be held in the highest regard due to the expertise of a photographed coin.
     
  12. ikandiggit

    ikandiggit Currency Error Collector

    The placement is the only thing that makes it interesting. However, investing money for this, IMO, is a waste. Gas bubbles are common and as you search post 1982 cents you'll find out just how common they are.

    A lot of gas bubbles are mistaken for errors and if you look through the archives on this forum, you'll see some examples.

    I have one that was similar to one that was posted on ebay a few years ago and was listed as an "Assassination Cent". The seller was asking $350 for it. Needless to say, it didn't get a single hit.

    Here's the one I own. The value is one cent.

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  13. cwebb00001

    cwebb00001 Rare One of a Kind.

    I'm not very familiar with all of the defects/errors of coins. However I have sheetmetal experience with die punching. This penny picture is a die crack right? I've collect coins with minor die cracks and shattered dies of the obverse. I'm learning the difference between the die doubling due to worn dies and double strikes. This hobbby appeals to my inquisitive nature for attention to details as well as my quest to search for treasure. In my own opinion, anytime a penny can return twice it's own value, then you have gained a double investment returned. I know it will take hundreds of double investment returns at 1 cent to make it a worth while venture, but to me, this is fun and exciting.
     
  14. ikandiggit

    ikandiggit Currency Error Collector

    Neither are die cracks. They are gas bubbles between the zinc core and the outer copper plating. Neither are considered errors.
     
  15. cwebb00001

    cwebb00001 Rare One of a Kind.

    How was it confirmed to be gas bubbles on this coin in your picture above?
     
  16. ikandiggit

    ikandiggit Currency Error Collector

    I was able to depress one of the lines with a toothpick.
     
  17. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    sometimes these cent coins after 1982 have thousands of these gas bubbles on each side of them and are as warty looking as a toad frog. in my opinion they are too common and not worth keeping.
     
  18. cwebb00001

    cwebb00001 Rare One of a Kind.

    It is true that the production quality of the Lincoln Memorial cent has faded over the past 31 yrs. The change in metal alloys have attributed to a wave of defects developing in the modern day Lincoln Memorial Penny. Even quality control has dimmed over the years which accounts for the once rare errors to become as common as house flies in a screened in back porch. Your point is clear concerning the common problems in the copper plated zinc material.
     
  19. NemesisX

    NemesisX New Member

    Perhaps a cud, or just spot of metal incorrectly punched?
     
  20. NemesisX

    NemesisX New Member

    Perhaps a cud, or just a bubble of metal that wasnt stamped correctly?
     
  21. ikandiggit

    ikandiggit Currency Error Collector

    A cud is totally different. It's a piece of the die that was broken off at the edge. A cud is a die break that includes the edge.
     
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