Cardboad Coin Flips And Clear Round Stickers?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Dano83, Sep 19, 2012.

  1. Dano83

    Dano83 Member

    Has anyone ever used clear round stickers on their coin flips instead of staples?


    Also I bought some cardboard flips off of ebay and they are off on one side (one side is a little longer then the other side). Does anyone know of a good brand that matches evenly on both sides?
     
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  3. enochian

    enochian silver eater

    im looking at buying some flips on ebay eventualy which did you buy so i can stay away from thoes
     
  4. rottenapple2

    rottenapple2 falls from the tree

    i just picked up vinyl flips and pages. these pages are very nice and heavy

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0046JTKG6/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00

    i also got these vinyl flips from ebay. they are very heavy and come with 2 pockets and nice little squares for information

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/230742420976?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

    the flips have a little embroilment in the coin side on the corners which actually helps keep the coin more centered in the bottom of the pocket :)

    just wanted to share that
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Guys you don't want to buy flips or pocket pages that are made of vinyl because they contain PVC. And you definitely do not want to use them with your coins. You should just throw them away. Buy only non PVC flips and pocket pages.

    You need to remember something, in this hobby you get what you pay for. That is true with coin supplies as well as with coins. Get out of the "deal mentality" and buy your coin supplies from dealers like this guy - http://www.jpscorner.com/ - you will get a fair price and quality supplies.
     
  6. rottenapple2

    rottenapple2 falls from the tree

    I guess it all comes down to personal preference. I've heard bad and good about all products. PVC does this. Cardboard does that. Plastic is not good. I'm still a green apple to this game and I definitely take into consideration all you guys experience and thank you for it :)
     
  7. Irish2Ice

    Irish2Ice Member

    I prefer Cowens for cardboard flips. They have slightly thicker cardboard than others I've used AND they are Made in the USA.

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  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    No, it doesn't come down to personal preference at all. It comes down to facts and whether or not you choose to ignore those facts or not.

    Fact - PVC products, all of them, will harm your coins.

    Fact - cardboard 2x2s, all of them, will harm your coins.

    Fact - non PVC coin flips, all of them, will harm your coins.
     
  9. Irish2Ice

    Irish2Ice Member


    So what should we use?...................
     
  10. rottenapple2

    rottenapple2 falls from the tree

    Absolutely! All the bad facts from people's real experiences. No one ever states the good facts.

    I'm definitely not going to argue with any experienced coin Collector. And I always take their advice into consideration. I'm only voicing what I know from other peoples real experiences :)
     
  11. George8789

    George8789 Leaving CoinTalk for good

    Im all for protecting coins, but even cardboard flips? Sounds like everything harms coins, maybe I should put them in an airtight glass jar and vaccum the air out.
     
  12. rottenapple2

    rottenapple2 falls from the tree

    I have coins in probably every storage container available. I constantly look at them under my microscope. If any show even the slightest sign of corruption from their storage ill be sure to change them out.
     
  13. enochian

    enochian silver eater

    Wjats wrong with 2x2
     
  14. Prime Mover

    Prime Mover Active Member

    I'm being drawn to the hard plastic 2x2 for storage. Although bigger and need more room for storage, they have foam inserts to keep the coins secure but still completely visible. And, they don't roll around like airtights since they're square... :)
     
  15. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    I normally agree with Doug in all things, but the non-PVC flips seems odd to me. PVC or polyvinylchloride is not a good material to store many things in, including coins. PVC will decompose over time giving off hydrogen chloride gas which dissolves in water to give hydrochloric acid. Additionally after the decomposition, the degraded polymer that is left behind can gunk up the coins. Another strike against PVC is that it is always plasticized with materials that can leach out and dammage coins. Polyester (Mylar) seems to be the material of choice, at least for now. It doesn't have to be plasticized and is much more stable than PVC. Flips of polyester should be good, and even cardboard 2X2's which use polyester should be safe (this is what you will find in ~100% of coin shops.
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Cardboard 2x2s are bad for several reasons. For one they all have and produce cardboard dust, that dust can and will cause spots on your coins over time, and the dust can scratch the coin. They can be bad because of the staple issue, staples can scratch the coin in the 2x2 when you take it out, or they can scratch other coins. The 2x2s are also bad because the thin mylar window offers no protection to the coin inside. Drop something and it will ding the coin right through the mylar. The coins also slide around inside, that's how the dust manages to scratch them. And the sliding around produces rub (wear) on the coin. The cardboard also attracts and absorbs moisture right out of the air and then holds it close to your coins. And moisture is bad for the coins.

    The non PVC flips are bad because the coin slides around inside and causes rub (wear) on the coin.They are also bad because the harder plastic scratches the coins as you put them into or take them out of the flips.

    The soft vinyl PVC flips are bad for obvious reasons, the PVC.

    What should you use ? You should use hard plastic coin holders like Air-Tites, or the snap-lock kind that Prime Mover mentioned. You can also buy your own slab like coin holders.

    All of these holders hold the coin secure so it does not slide around. They provide a hard, protective barrier so nothing can ding the coin or scratch it through the holder. They also help restrict the air flow around the coin. They are not airtight, none of them, but they do restrict (lessen) the air flow and air is your coin's worst enemy.
     
  17. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Yada, yada, why do you always have to be right (which you actually are).
     
  18. JeromeLS

    JeromeLS Coin Fanatic

    Fair enough if you're collecting coins in gem mint state, but I highly doubt that the wear caused moving around inside a flip occasionally is going to be noticeable on circulated pieces.

    How do you find a hard plastic container for an irregularly shaped hammered coin ?
     
  19. Prime Mover

    Prime Mover Active Member

    I do have a question tho about plastic roll containers - how much damage could they do to the coins inside?

    I have a lot of duplicate coins from proof sets. For example, I have a ton of 1970 proof Kennedy halves (well over 50). Instead of putting each one in a single 2x2 plastic holder which would take up a ton of space, would they be "safe" in a hard roll tube (and I'm thinking the "square" ones so they stay put easier)? I'm curious to know whether there's enough "rub" inside the tube holder to damage the coins, and whether I should just put each in an individual holder.
     
  20. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    I agree that in the absolute sense Doug is correct as given long enough and the proper situation what he says can occur.

    I have many coins stored in 2x2 cardboard holders, and my largest problem has been the corrosion of steel staples over 30 years leading to toning/corrosion of coins in the mylar near it. A switch to stainless steel staples help a lot. But I have low moisture environment and very little environmental sulfur pollution.

    I do use the non-pvc flips, binder pages, and non-pvc 3 ring binders when I need such. The mylar flips can damage the coin with "wear" like damage on the edges of the coin( and the faces if you grab it that way and push the coin around) Only the cut edge of the plastic such as the opening or the seam has the surface that can scratch. the face of the plastic if dustfree, as dust ( silica {quartz, hardness of 7 MOH}) could scratch coin metal, so throw away anything dusty. Pop the opening so the coin enters without hitting it. I use a pulse heat sealer to seal the flip so staples aren't needed and dust can't get inside.

    There is a place for pvc flips, and that is if you are going to be passing a coin around such as at a show or club meeting. The softness of the pvc will help hold the coin inside and not allow it to slip out. Sometimes I do use a hard plastic holder, but I still tape it for the night as once you have a friend drop it on the floor and it pops open and the coin bounces, you will understand.

    Holders are important, but more than that, is that you recognize that although a holder can protect against direct physical damage, even the hard plastic holders can not protect against bad environmental conditions such as sulfur compounds or other chemicals in the air, dust particles, moisture, etc. A handful of sacrificial scrubbed copper plated cents will prevent much chemical damage as Intercept ( tm) products do.

    I am not debating the truth of Doug's 1,2,3~ just my own opinion for what it is worth :)

    Jim
     
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