riff; When I saw this thread, I was positive this is exactly what your intent was. We should now ask everyone to submit a thread that would fit this picture. Just imagine all the creative titles that sarcastic minds could come up with.
I have a very strong feeling that if this thread doesn't get back on track now, it will be closed or someone(s) will be given an infraction(s) for departing into religion. Also I hope people know that unless their avatar is a photo they took or own the rights, it might show up on the google internet and someone will have a copyright violation to deal with. Please change avatars that fit into that category as it is the same as stealing someone's coin photo. Thanks! Jim
There are also public domain photos and graphics you can use. Pictures placed into the public domain are free to use. Just Google free photos or public domain photos or graphics. I have seen pictures that are coin related. If the can of worms picture isn't free to use, then best not to use it without expressed permission since this is someone's intellectual property. I copied the link and see this picture was not placed into the public domain. I took courses in internet marketing and e-commerce along with graphic courses.
if you had READ my posts on this thread, you would see this is exactly what i didnt want. you think i am instigating drama on a COIN FORUM? REALLY? THIS IS WHERE I WOULD GO TO DO THAT? use your brain.
"Also I hope people know that unless their avatar is a photo they took or own the rights, it might show up on the google internet and someone will have a copyright violation to deal with. Please change avatars that fit into that category as it is the same as stealing someone's coin photo. Thanks" a photo posted on an online forum thread falls under fair use the same as short quotations of copy-written literature. NOW I DONT KNOW ABOUT AN AVATAR.
if fair use didnt exist, every time someone posted anything from the cherrypickers guide, coneca, etc....you could get a cease and desist.
No, it doesn't. A photo is a complete work in and of itself and every photo taken by anybody is copyrighted.
If you copy it directly from their web sites or scan their book and then post those scans, yes you are breaking copyright law. The Fair Use clause does not mean what most people think it means. And if anybody posts copyrighted material on CT then it is edited out and removed.
I find it amazing that this subject even comes up, if it's not broke then don't fix it!! It seems like everyday I hear more and more people saying that they are atheist as if it's suddenly cool to go against the grain. The only thing more dangerous than an ordinary citizen becoming an atheist is for a citizen with a law degree to become an atheist. ~ jmho
I object to the phrase "In God We Trust" simply as its not necessary. All that this nation should proclaim on its coinage is Liberty. That is all that is needed, and should be what we stand for. My religious views are my own. I would love to have a discussion on the topic, but like others have said its tough. I learned this a long time ago. I love religious history, but have learned when you mix religion with archeology and other sciences they do not mix well. The interesting thing is many times the religion is the one who had it right, with science having it wrong for a period of time. I am not one sided either way, it just would get heated and people's feelings hurt for no good reason.
You are right to say that it's not necessary but I think it's better than if it didn't state, "In God We Trust". I remember being a kid and realizing for the first time that our money said, "In God We Trust". It made me feel really proud that my country would go out of their way to say that and it still does make me proud. Is it being indicated that after a certain year we should mint our money without, "In God We Trust.?"
Well sir since the motto never appeared on our coinage until the trevails of the Civil war, I personally do not consider it a major portion of our numismatic heritage. I consider it more a desperate plea due to war. I am just as proud of US coinage from 1793-1863 as I am any coinage afterwards. I believe Liberty, Lady Liberty, and an eagle are the three critical symbols of US coinage. That is why I dislike dead presidents so much. We should not celebrate political figures, just Liberty. Just my opinion.
IMHO - There are a great many instances where the system is broke and needs fixing. On currency, I'd like to see "In God We Trust" go away. Not so much so that I want to see it ground off of already minted coins, or paper currency burned, but it just doesn't need to be there. As medoraman said, just "Liberty" would be sufficient as that signifies we have the freedom to pursue whatever religion we desire. If you can't see the problems it causes, all you have to do is look to this very thread. Despite the restrictions placed on religious topics, athiests have basically been called hypocrites for spending money that has "In God We Trust" on it. If that's what people are willing to write here, just think of what people outside the protected realm of CT would be willing to say...
Here's another little nugget to think about. If I were a person of faith, I would STRONGLY object to having my religion associated with money. Why? Do a Google search for "Money is the root of all evil" and it comes up with over 35 million results!
Well, I've already said that it's not necessary so that's not the problem. The bigger issue here is how many atheist we have in the world today and how it changed. Meaning if a child was born into a Christian home but now identifies themselves as an atheist, what happened and what brought that change on? http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...020fd6-e57d-11e1-9739-eef99c5fb285_story.html
im sorry but you are wrong. my wife has been the SENIOR EDITOR of two publications for many years. her JOB is to know was entitles fair use. i am not just spouting off at the mouth. if you use an image to promote or for monetary gain, you have an issue. if not, you are okay.
I guarantee it wasn't something omitted from the face of a coin. But, the real cause isn't something I'm willing to get an infraction for by stating it here. Guy
Government You Me The Vatican Islam Supreme Court None of these are going to satisfy everyone....all the time Courts have ruled ""under God" was a historic, nonreligious recognition of the faith of the nation's founders in a higher power as the source of all rights. The Supreme Court has already ruled "In God We Trust" is "patriotic or ceremonial character" and "has no theological or ritualistic impact." That's that.....You have the right to disagree, that's what America is all about, but trying to satisfy every persons faith AND non-faith is an act of utter FUTILITY. But isn't being an atheist the practice of not believing? So just don't believe.......If this bothers you, then it seems to me that one of those higher powers that you don't believe in is pulling hard on your non-beliefs. I'm a Christian, I believe in God, my resolve is strong and beliefs are steady. Reading, listening, seeing about Islam, atheism, Wicca, or any thing else isn't going to "change my mind". What are you so worried about?
President Theodore Roosevelt was a devout believer, yet he did not believe that God belonged on money. Going back to 1907 and the minting of the St. Gaudens $20 - the placement of the motto on the coin did indeed cause controversy - mainly from religious individuals who objected - these days it is people who are not religious that are objecting. The bigger issue that Medoraman brings up is what for me is much more important - the apparent deifying of political figures on our coinage. Liberty or Miss Liberty if you prefer, is a mere symbolic figure representative of an ideal. I cannot myself believe that politicians are anywhere near approaching such, in fact there are a couple of the more recent ones that had history passed judgement before the coin came out would likely not be on coins.
