Flea Market Find

Discussion in 'Paper Money' started by midas1, Sep 15, 2012.

  1. midas1

    midas1 Exalted Member

    Picked up this ABNCo. Mexican note at a local flea market:

    5pesos obverse.jpg

    5pesos reverse.jpg

    Probably overpaid but I like it.

    Mike
     
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  3. Ripley

    Ripley Senior Member

    ​Nice note, how old is it ????
     
  4. largecent37

    largecent37 Coin Collector

    I'm not sure, but I think it says 1913.
     
  5. SteveInTampa

    SteveInTampa Always Learning

    For the carrier in cash in accordance with decree of 12 December in the year one thousand nine hundred thirteen.

    (Spanish to English translation)


     
  6. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    It does say 1913.

    De mil novecientos trece is the year.
     
  7. midas1

    midas1 Exalted Member

    All are correct. I ran "segun decreto del 12 de diciembre de mil novecientos trece" through Google Translator and it responded with:
    "According to Decree of 12 December 1913"

    It's in nice shape for being 99 years old.
     
  8. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"


    A simple rule i live by if you like it want it or need it buy it! many people our
    Overly concerned about price! and our already looking to sell it before they
    Buy it!
     
  9. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Yes, but also says something about being payable because of an official order issued on December 12th 1913. I've no understanding of Mexican currency, so exactly what this means I do not know.
     
  10. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    In the middle of 1913, because of the disruption in communications and the scacity of small change, certain companies in Parral and the surrounding area began to issue their own fractional paper currency. These valores de trabajo were payable to the bearer on presentation in the company's offices as soon as communications were restored (al portador una vez que se reanuden las comunicaciones, en sus oficinas de esta ciudad, á la presentación de esto).
    Many businesses and individuals were unwilling to accept some of these vales, and General Manuel Chao issued a circular calling upon the issuers to formally request permission and to offer adequate guarantees. In consequence, on 22 September 1913 Chao issued a decree that people should accept the notes of the Compañía Ferrocarril Parral y Durango; the Alvarado Mining and Milling Company; the San Francisco del Oro Mining Company; the Concurso Mexico Consolidated Mining and Smelting Company; San Pedro, Guanaceví and E.T.Notts, Guanaceví, and not accept the Fundicion de Fierro y Bronce, the El Rayo Mining and Development Company, the Mina La Cumbre y La Bufa or any other company that was not on the list of acceptable notes

    http://www.papermoneyofchihuahua.com/the-history/private-issues/vales-in-parral.html
     
  11. lettow

    lettow Senior Member

  12. midas1

    midas1 Exalted Member

  13. chip

    chip Novice collector

    Many of the early Mexican notes did not circulate, they are, I think, unsigned remainders from the american bank note company.

    I know that the unsigned ones are much more prevalent in high grades, but I do not know enough about the notes to say wether there is a premium for the signed notes.
     
  14. coinhound

    coinhound Member

    So is it worth much? I don't know jack about foreign currencies.
     
  15. Duke Kavanaugh

    Duke Kavanaugh The Big Coin Hunter

    When there is not a signature it is called a "remainder". And it can be more valuable with or without the signature, usually whichever is harder to find is the more expensive.

    I think it's a wonderful note. It has age, nice color, good condition and a cool design. Thats why I own one also :D

    Nice find.
     
  16. midas1

    midas1 Exalted Member

    The seller was asking $15.00 I paid $12.00 and could have bargained for less but what's the point for a single bill purchase.

    I'm continually amazed with the wealth of information shared by members of CoinTalk. Turns out I've got many ABNCo. remainder notes but didn't know it.

    Thanks all.

    Mike
     
  17. MEC2

    MEC2 Enormous Member

  18. midas1

    midas1 Exalted Member

    It kinda was. It was the annual Butchers' Hill Flea Market in Patterson Park, Baltimore. It seemed about >20% of the patrons were Hispanic and the dealer was Hispanic.
    He had a good selection of notes I should have asked him for contact information.
    In previous years I've bought several very old interesting cameras and old photos at this flea markter.

    A few years ago at the Baltimore Whitman show I noticed an Hispanic guy and an Hispanic woman approaching currency dealers offering to sell beautiful very old Mexican ABNCo. currency. After they moved on I asked a couple of dealers that bought some of the notes why they were so desirable. I don't remember what they said but I believe he was selling companion notes two for $45.00 a set. A coupe of the dealers told me it was a very good deal. I approached him offering to buy a set for $35.00. (not sure about the prices as it was a while ago) After consulting with his girlfriend in Spanish he sold me a set. At home I examined them with a magnifying glass, scanned them then put them in a SDBX. I did post them here. I'll see if I can locate the thread then reply with link.

    When Martin O'Malley was mayor Baltimore became a "sanctuary" city for illegal immigrants which may at least partly explain the large Hispanic population.
    O'Malley was fond of calling the illegals "new Americans"
     
  19. midas1

    midas1 Exalted Member

    ABNCo. Five Peso December 1913 Note

    Picked up this note for $12.00 last weekend at a local flea market. Condition is very good.
    Wondering what it's worth.

    Mike

    5pesos obverse.jpg

    5pesos reverse.jpg
     
  20. lettow

    lettow Senior Member

    If Ebay sales are a meaningful indicator then you paid about the middle of the market. Some sold in the 15.00 range. At least one went unsold at 9.99.
     
  21. midas1

    midas1 Exalted Member

    Thanks. It's a pretty note.
     
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