eBay Fraudulent dealer - worldcurrencyandcoin or Numis-phil (S) Pte Ltd in Singapore

After a recent bad experience with a seller on eBay I wanted to post an alert to caution would be buyers from committing the same mistake.
I had purchased a supposed ancient Indian coin of Samudragupta with the Aswamegha depiction (listed as Aswamegh Chandra Gupta coin). Here is a link to the original listing:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAP...RL:US:1120&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc#ht_2503wt_855

After discussing this via email, I purchased this coin. I was sent a completely different coin which was nowhere like the one listed and seems to be a modern replica worth much, much less! I've posted pictures of the actual coin I received. I complained to the seller and to PayPal but nothing could apparently be done. I had mailed the coin back but the seller didn't pick up the coin from the registered delivery service. In PayPal policy, a dispute can only be decided in your favor if the seller signs for the item. If the seller doesn't accept the mail, then PayPal can't do anything about. Certainly an eye opening experience about what happens when things don't work out in online transactions.

Hopefully other buyers will learn from my mistake and avoid this dealer! PayPal also doesn't seem to help the buyer much in these situations so I would be cautious with trusting that service as well!

The seller listing is worldcurrencyandcoin on eBay. The company is located in Singapore with an address of:

Numis-Phil (S) Pte Ltd
International Plaza #37-14
10 Anson Road
Singapore 079903
Phone: 62254489.

As they say, caveat emptor!

 

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My god, 6,000 no offense but that's a lot on an internet transaction, I wouldnt drop that kind of cash even If I had it on the internet

 

Don't give up. FeeBay/PayPal should not be able to shirk their responsibilities to refund your money simply because the seller refused to sign for the parcel.

 

Wow that really stinks, not even the same coin, and from someone with 22k+ feedback, have you actually called ebay and talked to them about it, I thought they had the buyer destroy the replica, not send it back.

 

There are some sellers online that I would spend 6k (if i had it) on a coin for, you just have to make sure you have researched them, find out their reputation from other buyers etc.

 

They also have 100 world banknote collection for 300000 dollars

 

It's been a long drawn out saga. Right after I received the replica I contacted the seller right away. The seller claimed it was the coin that was listed but said they would take it back. After I sent it back, the seller didn't accept it. After a month of this I contacted PayPal. The transaction was done directly with the seller using PayPal. I had thought PayPal covered these sort of transactions. PayPal was contacted right away but they brought up their policy of signature receipt by the seller or no refund! I even contacted the credit card company but they claim that they can't help. Makes you wonder about all kinds of buyer protections that are claimed by banks, PayPal, credit card companies but are simply worthless! I've even contacted eBay but they don't seem to really care.

 

I'm curious if anyone has any experience with small claims court or other forms of litigation. I'm not really someone who likes to involve the court system, but all this makes you wonder if there is something to lawyers and the courts.

 

Before I spent that kind of money $ 6,000.00. Why should I go for this coin in a carboard w/ cello on this rare coin? Also the location is overseas..NO WAY!

 

Wow, that is totally messed up. Personally I've had two small claims court cases and I won both but they didn't have anything to do with coins. If you lived in the same city you may have a chance but with the seller living in Singapore and you not, I think it's only a pipe dream because even if you won by default for him not showing in court, how would you collect? I am surprised that ebay let something like that go, I mean there is obviously a loophole that needs to be tightened up. Have you wrote a letter to PayPal and Ebay together? Ask for their advice, at this point you have nothing to lose. If all else fails get snake like and set a trap for that idiot!!! :devil:

 

Why in the world would you send the coin back without getting a refund!?!?!

 

Sorry about the issues.

I make it a habit to buy from within the USA when shopping on ebay.

 

Wow hope you can get this worked out I'd keep pushing paypal/ebay if I was you.

 

To be honest the reason they require signature confirmation from the seller is to make sure you sent the item back, to account for any mail that is lost or stolen or some scams where buyer would send it back but arrange for it to stolen from the seller's mail box (so it shows up as delivered). Did you insure the item when you shipped it back or can you get any proof or have delivery confirmation that item was picked up?

 

You can call your CC company, if you used one, they will file a chargeback against paypal and get your money back that way. Paypal will be really ticked off, though...

EDIT: I'm reading more... you already called them? Talk to them again, tell them the item you were sent was fraudulent and that you would like to file a chargeback as paypal is not holding up their end of the paypal and end user agreement. I got $350 back this way once. Paypal told me if I ever did it again, they'd deactivate my account. For $6,000, I'll go to the bank and make a new bank account to sign up with again.

 

Am I reading this wrong or did you go outside of ebay to make this purchase?

 

I have experience with small claims court process.

Your biggest problem is your case has to be filed in the jurisdiction where the other party, who would be the defendant, lives.

You also are limited to a $5000 jurisdictional limit for small claims. Since you paid $6k for the item, you'll have to file your claim in an district court, and you'll need an attorney.

You're also dealing with a party in another country.

I wouldn't have paid that kind of money for an item from another country, especially from a seller with 42 negatives in the past 12 months, with several claiming the same thing you are.

 

When were you licensed to practice law where either the seller or buyer is domiciled or doing business?

 

The last I knew, Singapore was not a US territory. Please correct me if wrong, but IIRC, it was a British territory until the 1960's and has since been an independent republic.

 

Ya beat me to it.