Half Dime Vlaue II - Ruben almost buys a CAC coin

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by mrbrklyn, Aug 9, 2012.

  1. zach67005

    zach67005 Active Member

    I would try to improve the eye appeal with a rock tumbler filled with 00 shot & glitter.
     
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  3. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    FWIW - you do realize these are 180 year old coins. I've turned down several that were brightly lit up. who wants a bright and shiney bust cap?
     
  4. KoinJester

    KoinJester Well-Known Member

    Ummmm that is a details coin.
     
  5. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    At what point did it occur to you that this sentence was appropriate for civil conversation?
     
  6. silentnviolent

    silentnviolent accumulator--selling--make an offer I can't refuse

    Not quite sure what you mean. :scratch: Yes, it is too bad to essentially have to 'restart' the NT process. As far as this particular coin goes though, and remember this is only my opinion, I would get more enjoyment from seeing original mint luster on a 180 year old coin than having to squint to see through this.... this.... taint. :rolling: Maybe it will re-tone more aesthetically this time. (This is in accordance with my personal aims and future plans as Ive described them on a few threads here on CT.) I'm not saying a harsh cleaning and blast white... And I don't care one way or the other about a CAC stickered coin. That is to say, I wouldn't pay more just because it has one. What a cake eatin' job! If they agree with the results of a TPG's work, they give it the 'second nod' in the form of different colored stickers. Pretty. I only care about my own second nod.


    And one day... if all goes according to plan... all the future slabbed coins in the "silentnviolent collection" (as stated on the slab) will have a smiley face sticker on the label inside. (They'll probably do it for some $$ if requested :) ) Obviously, this can ONLY elevate the value by at least one grading point. :rolleyes:
     
  7. Ruben: I do like the coin, but do not pay retail. Make him an offer you feel comfortable with at the show. It may have been sitting in his inventory for a while. Regarding differences in the pics you posted, this is why it pays to see coins in hand as opposed to online.

    BTW: Charmy posted a pic of a CAC mascot roaming around the convention. I would love to see a pic of you with the character. :smile
     
  8. Jim M

    Jim M Ride it like ya stole it

    I think the coin looks great. Would I pay retail for it.. Maybe if the dealer would bend a little on something else in the showcase I had interest in.. If he didnt, well I would make a pretty close offer on it if I had an interest in it for my collection.

    As for the blast white.. no thanks.. not on a bust coin.
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    If that coin looks like this in hand - http://www.typecoins.com/store/product?pid=74867

    - then no I'd never dip it.

    If on the hand it looks like the picture that Ruben posted in hand, yeah I'd dip it. But I'd never crack it out to do that, so instead I just wouldn't buy it.

    Yes I prefer coins that are original. But once coins tone to the point that they are very dark like Ruben's pic shows it to be, then no, I want no part of them. But that's me, that is my personal taste.

    But that's the thing about pictures, you never know. Sellers use pics that make the coin look its best. Pics like Ruben's, taken where you don't have the option of playing with the light and angles to get a pic that looks as the coin looks in hand, can often make the coin look worse than it really is. But sometimes, pics like Ruben's do a better job of showing the coin as it does look in hand for exactly the same reasons - you can't play with the light and angles.

    I'm betting that if you looked at that coin in hand that it would actually look somewhere in between the two pics. From most angles when you look at the coin it would appear fairly dark all over. But when you tilt it just so in the light, it would look like the seller's pics. And when you tilt it just so another direction, it would look like Ruben's pic.

    So when you are buying coins based on pics, you need to keep those kind of things in mind.
     
  10. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    The op coin is a PCGS MS-62 with a CAC sticker. The coin Detecto posted is clearly in an NGC slab, but do you notice there is no picture of the entire slab, and the seller merely describes it as a sharp Unc but makes no mention of an assigned grade? Three times? To me that is a strong red flag that it is probably in a details slab. I don't see any obvious damage so it is probably either cleaned or AT, possibly both.
     
  11. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    I thought you were giving up coin collecting, and going to disappear. What is taking you so long to do so? If you think that coin "looks like crap," you are best off selling all your coins and keeping your opinions to yourself.
     
  12. Hunt1

    Hunt1 Active Member

  13. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    Price seems a bit steep to me. In general, I hesitate from spending up to 63 money for a toned 62, and I don't see this coin in particular being attractively enough toned to warrant breaking that rule. Said a bit differently, finding a nicely toned half dime is not hard, so paying a large premium for one doesn't make sense to me. Of course things could change if I really like the coin in-hand, but going simply from the photos I would pass.
     
  14. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    fwiw what originally atracted me to the coin was its very clean fields and excllent strike which can be unusual with these coins
     
  15. kookoox10

    kookoox10 ANA #3168546

    He went from liquidating all his coins to burying his head back into the sand. I think he's going to buy a MS66 capped bust dime just so he can prove a point and show off Ruben.

    And great photo Ruben, the lighting at these shows aren't that great anyway.
     
  16. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    I was testing out my new toy for taking pictures of half dimes, a domed glass with lights
     
  17. Hunt1

    Hunt1 Active Member

    You're silly.
     
  18. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

  19. Detecto92

    Detecto92 Well-Known Member

    Good to know I'm not alone.


    I will take all that you have.

    While we are on the topic of CB.

    Which looks nicer? A gun metal grey coin or a "bright and shiny coin".
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    Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but I prefer the one on the left.

    I said I'm done collecting for now, not the rest of my life. It's just a hiatus while I get my financial priorities straight. A coin collector never sells all his coins, I still have a dozen or so left. I never said I was leaving CT.


    Very ironic, you rudely wanted me to leave, then tell me to "keep my opinions to myself", kind of like the pot calling the kettle black eh?
     
  20. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Your not comparing equivalent coins - take the blast white coin on the left. The same quality coin in a nice lusterous gun metal grey will trump it. Of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder as mentioned. Now if you take the coin on the right and make it blast white with a good dip it will have even less eye appeal. Go to heritage and compare some in the same grade and you will see that typically in the AU range and up look nicer in a darker gun mental grey. Heck - just look at lances bust half collection.
     
  21. The_Cave_Troll

    The_Cave_Troll The Coin Troll

    If you acted like this at most dealer's tables they would more often than not send you away. Your lack of understanding the toning on this coin makes you the wrong buyer for it and your assumption that a dealer would engage the conversation in the manner you have constructed makes me question whether you know how the process works. Very few people enjoy having someone talk about the defects in the things they are selling as a point of negotiating, its simply the wrong way to build a quality collection.
     
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