2 New Large Cents for my Collection, Including my 1st 1794 with Head of '93

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  1. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    I thought I would share with you the latest additions to my large cent collection.

    The first is an 1801 S-219 variety, R-2, commoner of the two varieties known as '3 Error
    Varieties'. The reverse shows the fraction as 1/000, also the U in united is made up of two
    I's and the wreath is missing the left stem. The die cutter must have been thinking about something else as he cut this die all those years ago in Philadelphia! I bought this one at the
    recent Summer FUN show in Orlando.

    The other coin is an 1794 cent with the head of 1793. It is (I am almost sure) and S-18b.
    It is the commonest of the 1794 heads of 1793, rated R-4. It shows a very weak (and lightly
    scratched reverse) with details visible only in ghost form. The obverse is sharper, and you
    can clearly see the double chin typical of this variety. The edge has the leaf after 'Dollar' turned up. This is what distinguishes the S-18b from the much scarcer S-18a (which has the leaf endpointing downward). As described, the coins has defects, including a possible light cleaning,and the reverse is very weak; but hey, it a a head of 93 (and it was priced very low).
     

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  3. rev1774

    rev1774 Well-Known Member

    That first reverse is definitely wild with the "U" being cut from 2 "I"'s
    I like it and thanks for sharing..:)
     
  4. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Lovely additions Eduard!
     
  5. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Thanks Mat, Thanks rev1774!

    Yes, the 3-errors reverse certainly is interesting. One of those 'must-have' coins I guess. I am told these are quite common
    in lower grades (R-2), but tend to get scarce at grades above VG to F. This one is at the edge of VG, graded VG7 by the EAC seller I bough it from.
    Talking about the summer FUN show, I went there mostly to look rather than buy (according
    to my wife), but was sorely tempted by some of the top copper dealers present at the show
    (CVM, Tom Reynolds, Hannigan, and a gentleman set up next to Tom Reynolds whom I bought this coin from). Absolutely beautiful coins, but the prices......This one was moderately priced
    and nice for the grade, and I did not want to walk away from the show empty handed. I am
    happy with it.
     
  6. beef1020

    beef1020 Junior Member

    Very nice coins Eduard. Those dealers have amazing stock, I am lucky enough to see them 3 times a year at the Baltimore show.
     
  7. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Great pickups Eduard.
     
  8. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Nice pickups.

    The S-219 is nice and I have no problems with it's attribution.

    The S-18 is a bit different. The three short hairs with a long hair below along with spacing of LIBERTY above the portrait make Obverse 2 look right.
    But the Reverse is giving me a problem. The spacing of ES appears wider to me than on Reverses A (S-18) or B (S-19). It actually appears closer to Reverse LL (NC-8) to me.

    I may be wrong, but it deserves a closer look.

    Here are photos for comparison, but it is not an attempt to be definative.

    Rev A[​IMG]Rev B[​IMG]
    Subject[​IMG]Rev LL[​IMG]

    ps I can rule out Rev B due to the stems crossing BELOW the ribbon knott.
    pss I can rule out Reverse LL (I have since relabeled as MM because of duplication with distinct reverse of NC-6) because of spacing of RI, wide on Subject - close on LL.

    psss other markers are consistent with Reverse A (wide RI, Right of center stem crossing below knot, small berries below high loops), but the ES spacing just doesn't look right. Perhaps the damage there is affecting my perspective.
     
  9. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Actually, it was simply the U punch initially used upside down which caused the 2 "I"s look.
     
  10. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**



    Marshall, than you very much for your detailed answer. Very much appreciate your expertise in this area.

    I have taken some more pictures in case it helps.

    Pity the reverse is almost gone on this one. It has a nice, clear obverse though.
     

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  11. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Nice shots, especially for a well worn reverse. You have revealed significant detail. M looks medium, neither small nor large. A M ER ICA spacing. Right stem right of right side of A. Partial leaf on right side of pair under (N)T. Small berry under extreme left of left elevated loop. (second berry likely just beyond perception) All are consistent with Reverse A.

    So, although the gap at ES seems odd, I have to conclude it is just illusion from the damage and wear.

    S-18b it is.
     
  12. largecent37

    largecent37 Coin Collector

    Nice large cents!
     
  13. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Another way to confirm the S-18 attribution

    First it is definitely a head of 93 (junction of hair and forehead centered between T & Y)

    The date is not straight that eliminates S-17 and S-20. S-18 and 19 have the same obv.

    Look at the third picture in the set Eduard posted in post #9. You can clearly see the left loop of the bow and the two inner berries on the left. On S-18 the berries are distant from the bow, on S-19 the first berry is very close to the bow. This one is distant, S-18.
     
  14. the collector

    the collector *Aussie Coins Collector*

    Nice coins ! Thanks for sharing!
     
  15. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Once again, thanks to all for their comments and help.

    Besides large cents, I also focus on early dimes and quarters. But of all of these, it is the large cents which provide the greatest satisfaction and enjoyment. More so knowing that there are knowledgeable people here so willing to share their knowledge in this area.

    Regards,

    Eduard
     
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