Penny 2 years print

I can't say I've ever agreed with anything more in my entire life...

 

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Now that's a good one. Have you never heard of a coin being taken apart and part of another coin being pressed into it from from the inside to add extra details ? If not keep watching ebay and I bet you can find one. can you tell me how you think the extra memoral building and the extra words OF AMERICA on the reverse side of this coin was done without smashing Abe's profile on the obverse side ? how can my scenaro be complete nonsense when coins are being altered by this method ? maybe you can learn us something new , we never get too old to learn new things and I'm willing to learn.

 

I've already explained the method that was likely used to create this double strike. I feel no need to repeat myself.

 

hey rockdude , I have two of these 2000 cent die clash coins and they are definately real die clashes. why can't you believe that ? anyone in the world are welcome to inspect them if it would help you feel better. just ask Mr. Diamond and I'm sure he will agree with me. folks needs to stop trying to belittle me. I have collected coins for nearly 50 years and I know a little about coins.

 

Rascal,
Just once I'd like to see you present proof of your statements
instead of demanding that others prove you wrong.

It must be a great feeling to believe that some may think you an expert
just because no one wants to take the time or expend the effort to
prove you wrong.

 

darn if I didn't almost fall out of my chair from laughing so hard when I read this post. I have never claimed to be a coin expert and I sure as heck would not like that title. aren't you the one that used to call me the coin God ?

the funny thing you said was { no one wants to take the time or expend the effort to prove me wrong.} you have probably wore your little fingers out on here trying to dispute every word I write and so far you have never proved me wrong. LOL

a good example of this on how I get treated on here is the thread about two of my coins that rockdude posted a link to on here. everyone was downing me something awful and saying all kinds of trash about my coins on that thread then on post number 41 Mr. Diamond told you all the same thing as I was saying. He said the 2000 dated cents were real clashed die coins and you can go read it if you want to. Is this good enough proof for you for one of my statements?

are you really interested in error and variety coins and do you collect any of them or are you on here just because you are bored and need something to do?

 

I had that page bookmarked as a reference for a while. The paragraph you are referring to is relatively common knowledge to error collectors and not a secret.

What I'd like to see is how you take a coin apart, add new details like the date, letters, and other devices and put it back together. That would be amazing.

 

Rascal has an obligation to keep his informed knowledge OFF the Internet where coin-altering scoundrels and scallywags can take that precise knowledge and use it to fool and cheat the public with their fakes. But I'll bet if you think REAL HARD on it you will probably figure it out. :devil:

 

I believe I'll be trading my "thinking cap" in for a "tin foil cap" soon.

 

Don't you know? You get your Lincoln cent (copper ones are best)....then put it in a vise.....then slice it perfectly in half though the rim so that you have the coin apart. Then you use a second coin and a specially designed tool (I'll call it a "hammer")....to get the second impressions through to the surface. When you're satisfied no one can tell it's been altered...you use gorilla glue to put the coin together.....


Now here's the real secret part....don't let this get out on the internet.......


Once the altered coin is solidly glued back together you have to carefully cut it out of the rim and put another rim on it (one that hasn't been cut in half).

 

Thank you for your good explanation Kasia.

While I would have phrased that as "cutting a coin into pieces" instead of "taking a coin apart", those weren't your words and I do appreciate this FINALLY being cleared up.

 

i suspect a time machine was involved. go to 1982 and get a brand new cent then go to 1981 and feed it into the press.

cody

 

Kasia I know you are just trying to do a joke on your post but believe it or not a few of the things you said are close to how it is really done. It takes a lot more equipment than you mentioned and a experienced metal worker to do a good job. did any of you on here ever see any of the so called double and triple struck state quarters that was selling on ebay for huge prices before Ebay stopped them? some of them were only done on one side so this made them easy to spot. all of the letters and details were perfect looking and were totally seperated from the other letters. well these were made by the same process as we are talking about.


I can't believe this many people has never heard of these altered coins and I just assumed that most coin collectors already knew about them. now go ahead and poke fun at me all you want to , I will get the last laugh when someone sells a nice altered coin to some of you CT members.

 

Yeah... taking a coin "apart" requires removing the screws that hold it together.

 

What makes you think you are the only one that knows about errors? They were being discussed long before you became a member here and you make it sound like until you came along no one had ever heard of errors.

A lot of your posts are on the verge of being extremely insulting to the intelligence of the majority of posters here.

I'm now adding you to my ignore list. In my opinion your credibility is severely lacking. Good day to you, sir.

 

Good I hope you will keep me on your ignore list. please don't reply to any of my posts and I promise to not reply to any of your's and we will do just fine , now you have a good day sir.

 

AND

Never wrongly estimate the number of people who don't know what you think they know, or wrongly estimate the ability of people to imaginatively construct new devices and ways to fool people. They won't be stopped by your refusal to adequately explain on the net how to do something or how things have been done. From what I've read, there's at least one person who believes that if he can/could construct such a good fake as to have it be undetectable by experts, then it is pretty much the same as really being the authentic item, so he has no compunction about not doing it.
Instead, by denying real knowledge from being spread, you're more likely to perpetuate ignorance in a group of people who certainly could stand to learn about forgeries and fakes of numismatic items. (My apologies to anyone who already knows how altered coins can be done with little to no way of telling just by examining the coin, but has to be done by spotting the wrong style of lettering, or weight, or many other factors).

And I would never call what I described in my post above, or what you allude to as "taking a coin apart" since a coin is a one piece object. But there are ways to alter that one piece object to be what it isn't.

 

any one piece object can be taken apart , even a diamond. if anything is cut or broken into different pieces it is apart , I'm adding a link you may like. you probably already know this and just acting up, darn if I know.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/apart

 

Rascal,

I do believe you are stretching the definition of "apart" to favor your terminology. It really is unimportant if you want to do so, but I believe the majority of the people who use the word apart in the sense you have, in taking a coin apart, would not use the word "apart"; again, since the coin is a separate and total entity in and by itself, and is not composed of different parts put together to create an entity that is different and substantially improved (being the sum of its' parts) over one or more items used to create it (as a planchet as opposed to separate metals being melted together to form the sheets used to put into the planchet making machine).

A part indicates part of a whole that is not composed of or doesn't comprise separate parts. Even the definition you provide gives the example of a watch and a barn. Neither of those examples are whole and separate unto themselves (only one piece, as opposed to being composed of several or many pieces).

Now, if you want to use a verb that indicates someone tore something apart, that could be construed as happening to one separate item, such as a piece of wood or rock, and responds to a force put on something as to cause it to split or break along it's grain or seams. A coin planchet, is in most cases different, being of a consistency that it is not generally able to be torn apart in that manner (except for some planchet errors). Cutting a solid object of that kind does not mean you are taking it apart.

Now once a coin is cut into and lathed and another part of a coin is put in (such as a magicians' coin), then you can take it apart. Since that is composed of more than one piece.

But back to the actual act of giving information on how fakes are created (or not giving information) and whether this coin is such a fake; I think that unless you can prove that the coin has been created from more than one coin and re-assembled, as it were, then the general premise of this being a coin taken apart, the secondary images then pressed out from the inside, and the coin re-assembled, then I believe you are stretching your imagination into the realm of improbability, if not impossibility. Because even though tools are available to do so, it would really be quite difficult to do the rim again in a manner that is un-noticeable.

It really is different from drilling a short hole into a nickle and inserting a plier that has a mintmark on it, spreading the pliers so that the mintmark creates metal movement on the nickel and thus creates a mintmark nickel out of one without one. Then taking care to sand down and solder up the rim so that it is difficult to tell it was done. Dimes generally can't be done that way (think trying to make a 1916 D dime from a P dime of that year) due to the reeding on the edge. It is way more complicated to try to drill that and then cover up the tracks. Instead, usually the mintmark is cut and soldered onto the dime.

But I really believe that semantics aside, or even trying to be "right" on how you use your definitions is less important than the fact that your scenario for this coin just doesn't add up, and the fact that you say you don't want to tell others because 1) you assume most coin people already know how, and 2) if you put it out on the internet, people will just learn to get better and be fooled is kind of baloney. I personally favor knowledge over hiding knowledge.

 

Kasia I'm sorry if it offended you or anyone else on here when I used the word APART. Looks like you live in California and I live in Kentucky. Maybe my southern Hillbilly language is different from your language where you live.

In your reply you said

[Now once a coin is cut into and lathed and another part of a coin is put in (such as a magicians' coin), then you can take it apart. Since that is composed of more than one piece.]
This is the same thing as I was saying when I said APART so you agree with me in this paragraph and disagree in the other paragraphs.Darn it I never could figure out a lady and I don't think there is a man that can. Since you are a lady I will give you the last word , at least I know enough about women to let them get in the last words. So go ahead and lower the boom on me if you want to, I'm thru with this thread.​