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i have sold coins here a few times. usually involves 5-7 back in forth emails. sending pictures, discussing prices, and terms of sale. If someone is not willing to go through the steps to build trust i would avoid. i contacted that guy with interest in something and his reply was overnite me a money order and you will get your coin. that was enough to turn me off. When you sell a coin here you have to do alot of hand holding and build trust one sale at a time.

 

John

Sorry to read about your situation.

However, please advise, how did the transaction end up?

Was it ever resolved?

Also, for the Mods:

considering the above, why is the BST listing still there?

http://www.cointalk.com/t210210/

 

oh.

 

A good sensible policy. As some of us know, it is IMPOSSIBLE to "police" listings.

 

I think it's also noteworthy that we don't KNOW that anyone has been scammed just yet. We have very well founded suspicions, but we are still within the timeframe where the coins could still be in transit if they have been shipped. I have my doubts though.

 

This is my personal recommendation and in no way reflects the views of CoinTalk or it's owner.

I would recommend that anyone who has been a part of this to get together and compare notes. If this has indeed been a case of fraud you will have a much better chance of action being taken if you work together as a group. Police departments tend to respond better when they get 5 calls in an hour about one person....

I truly hope that this gets resolved without action being taken... but just in case it does require it that's what I'd do.

 

As one affected, I will say that I've been in touch with a couple, and multiple avenues are being worked on.

The seller has responded via PM to more than one promising a refund as late as 2 days ago. Tho I'm not waiting with baited breath, if that does indeed happen, wonderful. If not, it's a good lesson (albeit an expensive one) learned. Luckily I'm fortunate enough to have only possibly lost my budgeted hobby money, and nothing that I needed to live on. Moreso I'm miffed at letting myself down. I consider myself a generally smart enough person, but let anxiety and emotion cloud what should have been more rational judgement.

 

A Scam Has Been Committed?

I believe you'll find in most jurisdictions that a scam has already been committed if in financial transactions the perpetrator has publicly declared fulfillment of promised obligations, but has not. In this case the perpetrator publicly stated that he had shipped all items purchased from him, and had prior to obligation fulfillment declaration notified the buyers of the tracking information. A subsequent buyer post (this thread OP) stated that he had not yet been informed.

Also I believe the same is true when the perpetrator has stated to have completed obligations, will no longer offer in this venue, but continues a solicitation for funds. Regardless of whether the obligations have been met, which the OP declared not, the declaration of intent to discontinue sales, while continuing to solicit funds, I believe would be adjudicated as a scam.

A published definition of SCAM is as follows: "A confidence trick, confidence game, or con for short (also known as a scam) is an attempt to intentionally mislead a person or persons (known as the mark) usually with the goal of financial or other gain."

I believe you'll find that a scam is an attempt to defraud. Fraud is defined: "any act, expression, omission, or concealment that deceives another to his or her disadvantage"

Just my learned understandings :thumb:

 

Translation.......some folks got the short (smelly) end of the stick........

 

I wish that this man arrives by means of as well as you have been not swindled with a selfish crook. If I have been you, depending near to the amount, I would utilize a forensic detective. They could possibly observe the ip adress as well as you can hand that data over toward the authorities.

Cut out the spam in your post. It is not allowed by forum rules.
Only warning!

 

I don't know what this place is either. I know from computer security classes that credit card companies have to take the side of the buyer and if you don't get an item, you will be reimbursed. I have fought charges before and had no problem getting reimbursed. One was a fraudulant charge, another a college application where they were taking too long to make a admission decision and every time a turned around there was an excuse, and another was a re-stocking fee on returns I was not made aware of until after the purchase. Funny thing is I got an acceptance letter from the college I did a chargeback on.

 

Funny how money has an effect on people's thought process.

 

Thanks for the translation green, that guys posts are darn near painful to read.

I can't can't help but laugh every time he posts something.

 

A Simple Report!

A "simple" translation, for the "inane" posters "called out" by the OP is: when someone posts a statement as "we don't KNOW that anyone has been scammed", in my opinion, they are insensitive dolts full of male bovine manure. They are humorous. :thumb:

 

Unbelievable. The guy that goes by the name "imrich", has his location listed as "Above a white water river in a private fenced/gated/wooded/secluded ~350000 sq.ft. preserve in rural Minnesota", types all of his messages in bold, and seems to go out of his way to use words too large for his vocabulary is calling me a dolt? (among other things) Oh the noes! Whatever will I do?

I trust the rest of the CoinTalk community will see the irony in this situation... :rollling:

I don't know what you have against me for offering my advice to those people who might have been scammed. Was there something wrong in that advice? Was it inappropriate for me to offer my advice seeing as I was not one of the people who sent money? Keep in mind that I do not want to see the For Sale/Wanted sections go away and I hate seeing people get scammed, so I do have a vested interest in this matter. Do you really think your bantering about the correct usage of the word "Weary" was better than the constructive advice I offered in the original thread?

Just to be clear, from the start I gave advice to the buyers that HCSC might not be everything he claims to be. I was one of the first people to come out and say they've probably been the victims of fraud. I didn't come out and say they have because that might have been "playing into his hands" as the OP of this thread wrote. For all we know, his real scam might be baiting people into libel lawsuits.

One of the indicators of how much our posts are valued is the like feature. Your posts received two likes in these two threads, and mine received eight. Whose input do you feel was more appreciated?

[/Internet Whizzing Contest]

Edit: I guess imrich's name is Rich, so that makes a little more sense now. I had assumed he was flaunting his wealth as he seems to be in his location.

 

Did HCSC ever deal with this or have we come to the presumption he scammed?

 

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