the kirkland safty society bank

I found this old peice of paper money between the pages of An old book i purchased from philidelphia in An old trunk let me know what u guys think

 

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We would need pictures, your description is a bit vague....

 

First of all, it's KirTland, not Kirkland -- Kirtland, Ohio. This bank was started by the Mormons when their primary settlement was at Kirtland, Ohio, before they moved westward to Missouri; it failed in 1837, resulting in many lawsuits, threats, and recriminations, and the arrest(s) of Joseph Smith.

If your bill's genuine, it's worth a considerable amount. Without pictures, anybody's guess.

 

A detailed synopsis:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirtland_Safety_Society

True if a bill is genuine it brings some $$, if it signed by Joseph Smith himself and not a proxy, it is worth many times more. However like confederate bills, replicas are common. However the signatures are printed and not ink signed as originals are. Even ink-signed, the signature would have to be verified. There are many histories ( from both sides ) on the internet (google).

Welcome to the forum! Photos are important.

Also everyone, some aspects of this subject area can invoke the "no religion rule", so keep it entirely about the numismatics.

Jim

 

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Can you make scans of the notes? The pics are too blurry to examine them.

 

Looks like one of the Historical Products replicas.

http://store.ushistory.org/showitem.asp?iid=207

 

Agreed. Just a replica.

 

It probably is a replica but what do i look for under the microscope to be certain it a print as always if you need a answer ask the pro,s thanks for the help

 

"The word "COPY" is marked upon each replica note in accordance with the requirements of the Code of Federal Regulations, Hobby Protection Act..."

Look for the word "copy" on your bill; it should be easily visible if it's there, no microscope needed. Check both sides. Also, if your bill looks like parchment, it's a reproduction; the originals were not printed on brownish parchment paper.

 

If it is a copy, it more than likely would have "facsimile" on the edge instead of "copy". A lot of those notes were printed without either though. Scans are required and even then we might not be able to tell from pictures. I will say, that the pictures you have provided so far lead me to think it is not a genuine note.

 

I thought Lettow had identified the bill as a specific reproduction, whereby the literature sold along with bill indicated the word "copy" was present, and, in compliance - ?

 

Sorry, I didn't read the link until now

 

Also, the ink used for the signatures would have had a high lead content, and rusted a bit over time. On real ones, the signatures fade to a more yellowish/orangish hue. Since the inking all appears to be the same color, I go with 'xerox' What a heartstopper for a sec though, huh? Better luck next time!

 

The reproductions have been made since the 1940s. Only those made after the Hobby Protection Act of 1973 are required to be marked COPY. This note is a pre 1973 reproduction.

 

This isn't necessarily true. The word Copy, or Fascimilie wasn't required to be placed on coins until 1975. This goes for paper money as well. Some copies that were made prior to that date did not have to have the wording on the notes, but they are generally determined by serial numbers and are well documented.

 

Sorry lettow, missed your prior post on this one.

 

Thanks for all the feed back would have been a nice find i agree with u guys its a pre 70s reproduction