Definition of MS (Mint State)

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by skane, Jan 10, 2005.

  1. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Understand that "Circulated" and "Uncirculated" (or, "MS") are terms of art. That's to say, they're employed to differentiate the condition of coins based on the presence or absence of wear on the face of the coins. They're not used, in other words, in the strict sense of whether or not you got the coins at the McDonald's drive-through window or straight from the U.S. Mint. From whence the coins were acquired is irrelevant to the condition of the coins, isn't it? Think of it like that. Evidence of wear on the face of the coins, circulated; no such evidence, uncirculated (or, MS). Hope that helps.
     
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  3. dsmith23

    dsmith23 Gotta get 'em all

    It might have 7 years ago, :D just busting your chops.
     
  4. dsmith23

    dsmith23 Gotta get 'em all

    Do you have pictures of the cent in question? Are you talking PVC damage/verdigris?
     
  5. shealocal234

    shealocal234 New Member

    verdigris, I had to look that one up so thank you for that, found this in a bank roll last week. p.s. sorry for the pic quality, I'm new at this
     

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  6. dsmith23

    dsmith23 Gotta get 'em all

    I would'nt call that a MS coin regardless if the green was there or not.
     
  7. shealocal234

    shealocal234 New Member

    right, but would the green make it lower than MS, if it had no wear? I've read both, that corrosion will lower a grade and I've read that it won't. Does it depend on the wear only? or the amount of corrosion?
     
  8. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    If it has corrosion, it can be damaged from that and wouldn't grade at any level in most cases.
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Besides wear, damage (as in damage from corrosion, as well as other forms of damage) is also reason for a coin to no longer be considered MS.
     
  10. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Late again; story of my life. :D

    That's how I'd put it.
     
  11. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    In technical grading no it won't. It will lower value but not grade. if you are doing market or net grading then yes it can result in a lower net grade.
     
  12. kookoox10

    kookoox10 ANA #3168546

    Good point, coins can grade high but with designations such as corrosion or tooling would put the "details" wording on slabs. I've personally seen AU details numerous times in slabbed coins, I might have seen MS details once or twice. In a sports analogy, it doesn't mean much that Barry Bonds hit 73 homers in one season if there's an asterisk next to the stat.
     
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