1884 indian head penny ms 65 + ?

I'm no good without a camera either I use my smart phone. LOL
Practice makes perfect.

 

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Wow. Really? If you don't have anything educational/helpful to say, why even post at all? "No" doesn't even make any sense...

Anyways, on topic: No DMPL, nor is it PL. IMHO, that's a well-struck Indian Head cent and would've hit a mid to high grade MS grade had it not been cleaned. A good way to tell if the coin's been whizzed/over-dipped is if the coin has flat luster that lacks cartwheel luster. Compare your coin to any modern coin that's in bright shiny new condition. You'll notice that the new coin has cartwheel luster (seemingly curved lines that "flow" around the coin) while the Indian Head cent lacks that type of luster.

Hope that helps!

 

This is a very helpful tip on "coin luster". I now know what to look for. Thank you cremebrule!

 

cremebrule Thank you very much for your reply I took the coin outside today to get it under better light and I could not see a cartwheel effect more like the whole coin glowed... But i do not know if was to due to being being way to bright outside lol..Anyways I learned two things this one of which force me to make the jump to buy a 110m nikkon lens lol taking pictures OF penny is hard !!!! and two its hard to light a penny properly so I am gonna build a light tent next weekend so ill update this post with new pictures of the coin when i get everything work out


so should I have to coin graded even if its cleaned at the worse its a great place holder ?

 

Wow... the OP asks about his coin being a lofty grade and I answered. Maybe, in your infinite wisdom, you could tell me how this is not helpful/educational? Should I have followed your lead and pulled my answer from an opinion already given? He asked a direct question and I answered... make sense?

No and no (so sorry, Crem..)

Personally, I think the best you would do is AU details, but even if UNC details, the value simply isn't there it justify the expense. If you like the coin, there is nothing wrong with enjoying as-is.

 

Here is what the OP's original question:

No problem! I remember having issues deciphering the difference between "shine" and cartwheel luster as well until another member on a different site showed me what I showed you.

I'm afraid it's cleaned. I remember thinking the same thing as you when I first started collecting. I took a semi-dirty 1963 Lincoln cent and cleaned it with a toothbrush, and it glowed just like your coin. I thought it was a proof as well!...Until I saw what a proof REALLY looks like. When you see a proof, you'll KNOW what a proof looks like. It has remarkably deep fields and has brilliant shine.

As for getting it graded (in slang, called "slabbed"), I would definitely recommend NOT getting it graded. Even though it's an earlier date, the fact that it's cleaned makes it a "problem" coin and will only net a "Details" grade from any leading TPG you send it to. With the $$ it would've taken to send the coin in, try picking up a low-grade MS example of a common date Indian Head cent or a modern date proof coin and compare the two coins side-by-side as an educational experience! That should hopefully clear up all doubt between what proofs look like.

Hope that helped!

 

No, Crem.. that was NOT the OP's "original question". Take a look at the time he posted, then edited. Also, look at what time I replied. His original question was nothing more than: "1884 Indian Head Penny MS65+". A direct question to which I gave a direct answer. Make sense now? In no way was I "irritated/annoyed".. the problem is you are not viewing my response in the proper context.

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It appears to be a nice coin. You're lucky to own it.

 

cleaned coin

 

I agree. There are issues with every coin. Weigh the issues with the coin and determine if you like it. That's really all there is to it.