cleaned coin + retoned = artificial toning?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by ozleck77, Jul 1, 2012.

  1. ozleck77

    ozleck77 Member

    I have a question regarding a coin that was cleaned in the past then begins to retone naturally. Is it considered artificial toning?

    Thanks

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  3. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    The cleaning is not natural, but the toning is a natural chemical reaction.
     
  4. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    It won't matter, an experienced eye will see that it has been cleaned and most of us will recognize the strange toning that results after a cleaning. A cleaned coin is a cleaned coin no matter how it tones afterward.
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    No it is not.
     
  6. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    Zamboanga ?
     
  7. gbroke

    gbroke Naturally Toned

    Well said Thad.
    On that note, artificial toning is often used to cover up an old cleaning. So beware when higher cost coins, with lots of detail, have heavy toning and aren't in a slab. :thumb:

    In my inexperience I have been taken a couple times by this. Thankfully they were not high dollar items. Good lesson learned though.
     
  8. ozleck77

    ozleck77 Member

    Thank you. 'just woke up. I remember reading here somewhere about using sulphur and alcohol in AT. I just need to clarify this things in a Filipino coin forum.
     
  9. ozleck77

    ozleck77 Member

    Yes. I'm from Zamboanga City, Philippines. Just a small place and we speak broken Spanish (Chavacano).
     
  10. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    Most collectors would call that "secondary toning" rather than artifical.
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    There are many different ways to create artificial toning on a coin. That is just 1 of many.
     
  12. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    My favorite is to put the coin into a sweet potato and then run it through a convection oven for 45 minutes. Let cool and then place in the freezer for 2 days. Remove from the freezer and then crack the coin out of the sweet potato! the results are awsome.
     
  13. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    ...and a pretty poor one at that.

    Technically a retoned cleaned coin is not AT, but still cleaned. Most of the time you can tell. If, however, the cleaning was done correctly, and the coin was not overdipped, the retoning can be about identical to other NT coins. Others here will disagree, but what I am talking about is properly dipped coins, probably only dipped once in their existence, and then retoned naturally, I don't see how anyone could tell the difference. If no one can tell the difference, IS there a difference?

    Yes, someone leaves scratches, someone improperly dips, someone dips a black toned coin, etc you can tell. However, there will be situations where its impossible, and thats ok since we still have a nice coin.

    Of course, this is assuming by "cleaned" you don't mean "improperly cleaned", in which case you can always tell. I am talking about hypothetical cleaning.
     
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