I've got a 1900 Morgan that was G when I found it, and I carry it in my pocket. It now looks like a shiny, smooth piece of antiqued steel. It was bright in color to begin with.
Thats becaus ethe first thing people do is try to clean a coin and destroy it. They aren't supposed to be bright and shiney
I bought this large cent here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/300714426833?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 The coin in person doesn't look as bad as this picture when it arrived. Since the coin was already cleaned and beat up I didn't do any harm if I did what I like to do, I dipped it in alcohol for a minute or so and then distilled water and patted it dry with a cloth towel and let it air dry. I then put it into a mylan flip then stored in a container. Is it me or is this coin starting to change color?
Carrying a coin in your pocket is harsh cleaning. It removes debris, lightens the color, or smooths dings and scratches due to abrasion. You can achieve exactly the same thing with a polishing wheel or rock tumbler, only difference is how quickly things happen.
Won't putting your coins out in the sun also lighten their color? I am trying to do the opposite with my large cent, I want to make it darker since it was too light due to cleaning.
Collectors are slow to accept it but eventually some items, if they are to be preserved at all, need restoration. This coin is too common to qualify
It is common but interesting part of our history and certainly aren't going to find one at the bank in rolls of change. Other historical objects are restored, I lived in Philadelphia and saw this all the time. What would Independence Mall, the Liberty Bell, or Betsy Ross' house be if these haven't been restored at one point? Do you think the penny has changed or is it the lighting or something? Of course these large pics of coins much smaller aren't very forgiving.
Interesting question. I think they would be Independence Mall, the Liberty Bell, or Betsy Ross' house.
That would just prevent them from being 100 million dollar tourist attractions and revenue generators for Phili.
Ah no. The country was founded in NYC, and largely in Brooklyn. We just don't make a big deal of it. There are too many tourists gumming up the streets already.
The Declaration of Independence was written and signed in Philadelphia. What happened in Brooklyn? We also have mint.
If you cannot tell a coin has been cleaned, it has not been cleaned. If you can tell it has been cleaned, it has been cleaned.
You're right, terminology is getting in the way. But I can't help it if you, and most other people, insist on using the incorrect terminology. All I can do is try to point out your mistake and hopefully tell you what the correct terminology is. By your own admission when you say "cleaned" what you really mean is "harshly cleaned". So why not just use the correct terminology to avoid confusion ? Is it so hard to type that one extra word ? Now I'll grant you, even the TPGs use the word "cleaned" on their slabs. But they are doing so because of space constrictions on the slab label. And if you read their designation - 92|N-2 Cleaned – surface damage due to a harsh, abrasive cleaning - they plainly say, harshly cleaned. There is a reason they do this. It is to differentiate between the two terms - cleaned, and harshly cleaned. Because those two terms mean two entirely different things. So you are saying that NCS harshly cleans coins ? Well, all I can say is that the rest of the numismatic community, including the foremost experts on the subject, disagrees with you. Granted, the same processes that NCS uses "can" earn a coin the harshly/improperly cleaned designation. But only if and when it is done incorrectly. You yourself can use the same processes used by NCS to clean a coin, and if you do it correctly, that coin will not receive the harshly cleaned designation. Maybe, maybe not. Neither you nor I actually know. But does it matter ? Where is it written that only a chemist could know how to clean a coin without causing harm to that coin ? There are many, many, people who know how to clean a coin without doing it harshly or causing harm to the coin.
I will try. But the problem that I foresee is that when I say "harsh cleaning" people will automatically assume that I am talking about taking a grinder to the thing, which again would be a misconstrued meaning. As long as this is true (I have my doubts), then I would retract my previous statements. But if it is not true, then the practices of organizations such as NCS are morally ambiguous at best. (To the extent that "morality" can be applied to coin collecting practices) GDJ, I'd just like to take a time out and acknowledge that fact that you've exhibited extraordinary patience in your responses to my posts. I have the tendency to take the "Devil's Advocate" side of any debate, and may unintentionally come across a bit abrasively at times (no pun intended ). I'd also like to point out that, while I do purchase them and appreciate them, I DO NOT advocate harsh (<---:yes cleaning of coins. While I will hold fast to my opinion that the coin was ugly to begin with, and that I like it much better now, I'm not particularly proud of what I did to my quarter. It's the only coin that I have personally cleaned, and I felt a bit guilty as soon as I did it. I present my previous arguments not because I want people to start harshly clean their coins, but because I like for people to think about, and formulate their own opinions on the subject. It's the same with anything, I do not like when people accept the status quo just because "that's how it is". When I ask a person "why", I do not want to hear the standardized answers that are always given in return. I want to hear THEIR opinion, which has been reached because they thought the situation through for themselves. Coin collecting is a hobby. Each individual should feel free to pursue a hobby in whatever fashion makes them happy. The manner in which they go about collecting should not be forcibly dictated by others. If they reach the conclusion that un-cleaned coins are preferred then that is fine, but if they appreciate cleaned coins then that is fine to. As long as the decision is not made for them, then I have no issue either way. This is not to say that the opinions and knowledge base of others should not be considered, it just shouldn't be considered as the ONLY acceptable way of going about things.