Well worn 2002 Silver Eagle check THIS out!

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  1. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    im looking to get a new scale...
     
    kaosleeroy108, Jun 2, 2012
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  3. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    .005ct is 1 milligram (0.001 g). Not good enough to weigh fingerprints or toning, but good enough to evaluate weight loss due to heavier wear (ahem). (Or, yes, to demonstrate the lack of significant weight loss at earlier wear stages.)
     
    -jeffB, Jun 2, 2012
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  4. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Here ya go:

    http://www.oldwillknottscales.com/ohaus-spj303.html

    $284 plus shipping. Or, you can go to eBay and buy a milligram scale (without the nice draft shield and print option) from our Chinese friends for about $30 shipped.

    For me, trying to satisfy my curiosity about wear and occasionally verify a gold coin's weight, the $30 scale made more sense. If I were running a shop and verifying a major revenue stream, I certainly would've chosen differently. :)
     
    -jeffB, Jun 2, 2012
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  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I was waiting on that :)

    I'd say VG10 at best.
     
    GDJMSP, Jun 2, 2012
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  6. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    DM 8 (Downright mediocre) :) :) :)
     
    Morgandude11, Jun 2, 2012
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  7. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    I'm probably gonna send it in...just for kicks...
     
    LostDutchman, Jun 2, 2012
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  8. TopcatCoin

    TopcatCoin TC

    Grade: Details, altered surfaces likely discovered during colonoscopy. :eek: TC
     
    TopcatCoin, Jun 2, 2012
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  9. statequarterguy

    statequarterguy Love Pucks

    VF, but like TC said, "Details", harshly cleaned and damaged. Looks like some chop marks too. Sure this thing didn't come from China?
     
    statequarterguy, Jun 2, 2012
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  10. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Really?!

    I was paying attention to the obverse, with its familiar design, and comparing it to WL grading standards. By that approach, I was figuring it was no lower than VF. But I see that the shield on the reverse is rather heavily worn, and comparing that to other shield-reverse issues, I suppose I could see the lower grade.

    Can you say more about the specific aspects of wear that led you to that grade? I know almost nothing about grading coins without explicit grading descriptions or photo guides, and I'd like to know more...
     
    -jeffB, Jun 2, 2012
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  11. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Jeff, look at the reverse of the coin that I posted after Matt. You can see E Plurabus Unum (above the shield) on my well worn example. The motto is nowhere to be seen on Mat's coin. I think that might have had a hand in Doug's grade consideration......
     
    green18, Jun 2, 2012
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  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Jeff to the best of my knowledge there are no guides or descriptions of any kind for grading these specific coins. But yet the TPGs have graded hundreds of thousands if not millions of them. Collectors and dealers have graded millions more. And what do we all grade them based on ?

    Fairly simple answer - what the coin looks like when it comes from the mint. I think pretty much everyone has seen a 70 if not many. Guaranteed they have seen thousands of 69s. So to grade them I go by what the coin is supposed to look like.

    Now when it comes to worn examples that's a different story, there simply aren't very many of them. I've probably seen as many as anybody else and probably more than most people. Also for many years I carried around a 1 oz AGE as a pocket piece, did it with several of them. So in a way I have somewhat unique perspective and experience with looking at and being familiar with worn examples of the ASE and the AGE. I know how they wear because I was the one putting the wear on them.

    Anyway, if you look at that coin and compare the amount of missing detail that it has as compared to a freshly minted one, it's pretty obvious that there is a LOT of detail missing - a lot ! I think the lack of detail is far more obvious on the rev than on the obv though even the obv has severe wear.

    And I also extrapolate what other coins, graded VG10, look like. Go look at some VG10 Morgans on Heritage. Compare the amount of detail on them to the amount of missing detail on this coin. Or Walkers, or Barber halves, or any other coin. Seems to me the amount of wear is similar.

    Thus my grade.
     
    GDJMSP, Jun 2, 2012
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  13. Phil Ham

    Phil Ham Hamster

    I would rate it a F-12 but might go down to VG-8 based on the dent at 12:30 on the obverse. It is a good coin to place beside some of my Morgans to make them feel better about themselves.
     
    Phil Ham, Jun 2, 2012
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  14. Chiefbullsit

    Chiefbullsit CRAZY HORSE

    Got this 1999 10 minutes ago...will take a photo each June 1 for the rest of my life.

    Lets get it on............got it in my pocket right now...:yes:

    . $(KGrHqJHJEcE-kKlrPEuBPwSfLn2iQ~~60_1.jpg
     
    Chiefbullsit, Jun 4, 2012
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  15. d.t.menace

    d.t.menace Member

    If it grades, it has a rim ding on the reverse, I'll say VG8
     
    d.t.menace, Jun 4, 2012
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