Ebay Throws ANACS Under the Bus

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by scott490, Apr 17, 2012.

  1. Owle

    Owle Junior Member

    There are exceptions like this. And if you excluded the common dates in the various series, and focussed on the rare dates my assertion would stand.

    As I said, the "experts" would be good arbiters on this; people who have been dealers and leaders in the business for the last 50 years. I venture to say not many of them get excited and have heart palpitations over many of the modern products.
     
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  3. 10gary22

    10gary22 Junior Member

    The omission of ANACS was likely ignorance on the part of whomever wrote the policy. I imagine there will be a change before long. Certainly, ANACS is the only company that works with CONECA by recognizing and certifying newer errors and varieties. They seem to have a much wider knowledge base than any other grading company, and are certainly more progressive.

    Of course there are those who are only aware of the errors of the 42/1 Mercury dime and the 3 legged Buffalo nickle. LOL Perhaps eBay is one of those ?
     
  4. kidkayt

    kidkayt Senior Member

    I am a big fan of ANACS - I have coins from them which are graded with pin point precision compared with the slobs I get from PCGS and NGC. Shame on them for leaving ANACS out. That said I never use their auction services.
     
  5. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    I doubt a subjective process formed strictly on opinion, is pinpoint precise.
     
  6. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    That would be true if all of the coins were sent in for grading, but the manufactured coins are not randomly sent in for grading. They are pre-selected for only the finer end coins so you would not expect a bell curve result.

    Not likely considering their industry consultant for the rule was Albanese, co-founder of PCGS, founder of NGC, and founder of CAC a company that only stickers PCGS and NGC slabs.
     
  7. fiddlehead

    fiddlehead Well-Known Member

    It's an analogy, guy. You know, a literary thing. We're saying exactly the same thing now. Clearly there's subjectivity, but it's within certain criteria - which may change, just as the size of home plate and the prescribed top & bottom of the strike zone has changed. I think a baseball umpire is the perfect analogy. Show the same close pitch to different umps and you'll get different calls. But show them stuff down the middle or a foot outside, and they'll be the same 99% of the time. What's that got to do with different kinds of fruit, anyway? :)
     
  8. 10gary22

    10gary22 Junior Member

    With all the analogies and all, I read a study not long ag about breakouts being re-submitted to another of the big 3 for regrading. That study although limited as it must have been found very little difference. However it was stated that PCGS seemed to return slightly higher grades than the others. I have also read in this forum statements that if you are buying get ANACS and selling, use PCGS. That said, maybe the experts here are trying to tell something ?

    But as I have learned , PCGS employs aggressive marketing techniques such as volume discounts, etc. And since it was pointed out that this eBay notification was done by people with connections to PCGS, I am thinking differently than I did before.

    I hate being manipulated, and that is what it seems eBay may be trying to do. Certaily with revisions in listing policies, they no longer want the business of individuals who recycle items, but seek corporate level marketers. Maybe it's time to take a longer look at other on-line auction houses ?
     
  9. snapsalot

    snapsalot Member

    I believe ANACS and ICG are not left out nor is assigning numerical grades in the description. This is what the current rules state.
     
  10. princeofwaldo

    princeofwaldo Grateful To Be eX-I/T!

    Probably because they felt the warm breath of the FTC breathing down their neck. Give us a specific example if you would.
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    OK - by the end of 2010 PCGS had received over 44,000, 2010 Proof ASE's for grading. Of those 44,000 coins, over 36,000 of them were given the PF70 DCAM grade.
     
  12. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    So you're saying the FTC, the Federal Trade Commission, breathes down the neck of a TPG and influences what grade is placed on the label?
     
  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I think he is referring to the law suits from 20 years ago.
     
  14. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    I had a feeling that's what it was, but the way he worded it made it sound like what I stated.
     
  15. princeofwaldo

    princeofwaldo Grateful To Be eX-I/T!

    Not on a specific coin, but rather in the overall way they conduct business. Which is exactly what the FTC recently forced PCGS to do regarding the use of the term "investment" in their marketing materials. PCGS changed their policy "without admiting anything" because the FTC had them cornered.
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Recently ? You would really use the word recently ?

    What you're talking about took place in 1990 !
     
  17. Owle

    Owle Junior Member

    At least certified coins "as an investment" did not lose nearly 50% of their value, as GMCR did this week. In comparison some coins have done quite well.

    But in order to be "investments"; they generally need to be: good or high end for grade, in line with current market pricing on the dealer to dealer basis or based on auction records, and have a likely potential to maintain or increase price in the future.

    There are so many "ifs" though, I am not surprised that those touting coins as investments have run into trouble.
     
  18. snapsalot

    snapsalot Member

    This is the first post I have ever seen where Redwin didnt tote around his 11 cent around like a rabid dog with a new squirrel.

    Are you ok Red? I dont need to call an ambulance for you do I? Red, walk into the light... Red don't leave us nooooooooooooooooooooo.
     
  19. princeofwaldo

    princeofwaldo Grateful To Be eX-I/T!

    To those of us who consider anything struck after 1600 as a modern coin, 1990 was just a heartbeat ago.
     
  20. Stang1968

    Stang1968 Member

    So it's 6 days before the deadline, and I just visted ANACS' webpage. You can perform certificate look ups now. Not as nice a setup as say, PCGS, but it worked for me.
     
  21. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    ANACS and ICG have both been added to the list on eBay's new policy.
     
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