So, as long as I'm on this guys website, what is your thoughts on this. it is also not in a slab. http://www.davidkahnrarecoins.com/p-247-1802-s241-no-stems-vf-20-340.aspx Its a pretty girl on the coin
She is certainly better looking then the one on the Cent a few years earlier.. : ) I like the coin. Fields arent bad, not loaded with corrosion.
Maybe it's just me but there appears to be pitting on the reverse on the edges. If slabbed this would probably go "environmental damage".
I browsed that website when you posted the half dime. I must say that he has quite a selection of nice coins.
Yeah - which is that got my attention. I just need to be cautious about raw coins and prices of coins in areas i have know deep knowledge about. Ruben
Obv is very nice with some very old light scratches in the right obv field. May also have a very old cleaning. The reverse shows some light corrosion all around the periphery and some damage by the O in OF.
I missed the corrosion. Is that process unstoppable? And would that prevent it from being graded? Its very cool that your expertise on these coins is so sharp. I never knew. ruben
Would be a great type coin, or look very nice in a large cent album. Although the TPG's are very forgiving when it comes to some surface damage on these old large cents my guess is this one wouldn't grade cleanly. But if I had an 1802 hole in my Dansco I wouldn't mind filling it with this one. Lance.
I would pass on that, scratches in the fields both old and new, sharp nick in the hair, and the obverse around the check and shoulder have something going on. The reverse is pitted and damaged. One thing I don't think people realize about large cents is some varieties only come in ugly, so they still bring strong premiums. This is an common variety, so you there are plenty of nice examples. If you are not hung up on the variety, but still want a stemless reverse Tom Deck has one with more detail and much better surfaces for cheaper: http://www.largecents.net/salecoin.php?T4265
First not a bad coin and I agree with Lance. At the same time I like several on Tom Decks site. I do not a lot more than just a weak date goes into pricing these - variety is just one of them. I would also probably call this coin VF20 details - the reverse looks off to me not just the old corrosion that looks like it was removed. Still a nice old coin.
That pretty girl is believed to be Ann Bingham. She was considered one of the Great Beauties of the early 19th century. I agree.
INTRODUCTION In April 1789, New York City became the seat of government when George Washington was inaugurated as the first president of the United States. In July of the following year, Congress passed the Residence Act, designating Philadelphia the capital for a period of ten years, until the permanent capital could be surveyed and built along the Potomac River. Under the Constitution, the president and the members of Congress — all men — shared power as elected representatives. In the early years of the republic, when many distrusted partisanship in government, preferring consensus, social events provided the opportunity for unofficial politicking. Women had essential roles at these events, which brought together the new country’s elites, foreign dignitaries, and elected officials. We present a gallery of twenty-five women who were active in public life in the early years of the new nation. The portraits all appeared in Rufus W. Griswold’s The Republican Court, or, American Society in the Days of Washington, which D. Appleton and Company first issued in 1855. A new and revised edition appeared in 1856, both as a monograph and serially in twenty-five parts, each part containing a plate. http://www.librarycompany.org/women/republicancourt/
Pricing is affected by what you like. In this particular case the variety tends to have a weak date in addition to TY in liberty, and a weak ST in States, it's a function of the die and the alignment during the strike. It's an important thing to remember in grading large cents, amount of detail is not always a good indication of amount of wear due to big differences in die preparation and die alignment during strike. Welcome to the world of early copper and what attracts many people to them, they were not a standard, uniform product like we get from the mint now. They represent a much different time during the birth of a young government trying it's best survive and assert it's authority, at a time when it was not certain it would survive. Even at the time these coins were minted the general lack of quality and consistency was noted and pressure was applied to try to close the mint. Personally, I really enjoy this series because the large variance in quality of a government issued product stands in stark contrast to our present day. Can you imagine if the mint produced a coin today with the fraction 1/000 on it or how about abbreviating the name of the country as 'United States of 'Ameri.', did someone misplace their only C punch after they punched 'CENT'?
Thanks for that link to the republican court. I have seen several portraits of Mrs Bingham and frankly she has always looked ghastly. I never understood why she was always described as one of the most attractive lasies of Philadelphia. That is the only portrait I have seen where she looks attractive. Maybe they created rev B first and the punch broke. (The C in Cent is a larger letter punch than the one used in the inscription.)
I only have a handful of early date large cents and their all in bad shape - especially the 1797 but i'm always on the lookout for them now - I've had a blast trying to attribute them.
