Your opinions on two pennies

During my continuing search on pennies. I found two interesting pennies. First coin, it looks like machine doubling, but I hope it's other wise. Second coin is date error. I haven't see any date number over lap other number in pennies. In this one, I am not sure if it's possible to have six over 7? 7 over 6 is possible, but other way is possible? Hit me with your opinions.

Machine doubling?


6 over 7 with four pictures in different angle...





LMK, thanks.

 

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machine doubling and post mint damage onm the 6/7

 

The 2nd coin looks more like a 1938 to me... with crud on it.

 

The second coin looks like a 1935 with a smashed down 5 . I'm beginning to wonder about the 1957 coin , I have been seeing quite a few of these in the past few years and each one looks to be identical and appears to have been made this way because of some kind of a coin die problem. even the 9 in the date on these are always filled in a little at the top. on a mechanical doubled coin each coin is always a little different from the rest. I think these 1957 coins needs further study.

 

I really like the '57, I have seen others that look very similar also. Is there no cherrypicker listing on that one?

 

as far as I know these just keep on going overlooked. In my opinion they about have to be from a repunched die or some kind of die problem. these are on Ebay every now and then and they always sell good. someone would need to get a group of them together to examine them to see if each one is identical in every way to the rest of them to be sure what they are.

 

the reason the 57 is not listed anywhere is that it is machine doubling and nothing more. the easy way to tell is that the date is on the master hub and the mintmark is added later yet they both have the doubling in the same direction. the doubling happened as a result of the strike not the die.

Richard

 

what about the 36? It looks to my eyes as an over strike? Is there such a varity for this date?

 

The second coin is just beaten up. The date's been smooshed.

 

smooshed is the tehnical term I would have chosen :} :}

 

Thank you for sharing your opinions. I will get back to you regarding to second coin. I have 1936 and 1937, but I am looking for 1935 and 1938 then make compare out of it.

 

the master hub is not the actual die that strikes the coins.the master hub is used to create the working coin dies and at some time a mint worker could have redone the date and mint mark on the die that struck these odd looking coins. each and every one of them that I have seen always have the die chip on the top of the 9 so I'm thinking that all of these 1957 D coins that have this wide looking doubled date were made from the same working die. if this is only strike doubling then how could it be possible for every coin from this die be doubled exactly alike ? my opinion is that something was definately wrong with the die and not just strike doubling. I have a couple of these coins here somewhere but they are in a bucket full of thousands of wheat back cents and I'm not about to try to attemp to retrieve them. keep watching ebay and you may be able to see more of them.

 

Agreed, completely.

Machine/strike doubling is considered damage, this is not in cherrypickers, and never will be.

They are not overlooked, they are just ignored, as mechanical damage.

Agreed, also look at the flat 'shelf like (as it is described) to the apparent 'doubling' a true DDO would have the doubling of equal heights.

no such thing as an over strike.

over date? perhaps.
Over strike? does not exist.

Once again: agreed.


The second one is definite post mint damage.
Nothing more.

 

Whatever mechanical action of the coin press that caused the MD on the subject coin will continue and repeat with each and every additional coin strike until the coin press itself is stopped and adjusted.

 

No two or more MD coins will be exactly alike in every way. mechanical doubled coins always have a slight difference between each coin , this is why MD coins are not considered collectable.

now coins struck by a damaged die or doubled die will always be exactly alike in every way until the die wears out because the details are on the working coin die and are transferred to the planchet from the die when struck.I totally agree with everyone , this 57 coin does look like one of the many forms of the worthless MD , sometimes things are not what they appear to be.

 

There is a cause/reason for mechanical doubling. As long as the coin press is operated without fixing the cause it will continue to produce mechanical doubled coins exhibiting basically indentical characteristics.

 

Sorry for taking long time to post other pictures for compare on second coin. I have no luck to find 1938, but here's 1935, 1936 and 1937. You can see "7" aren't same font on 40's, 50's and later. It's really look similiar to second coin. You can see "7" in same place as showed as second coin. Your opinion?







Also, just encounter another odd penny. I guess I found Van Gogh's missing ear...

 

The coin you have been asking questions about is definately a 1935 dated coin with the 5 smashed or "smooshed" down. the coin in your last photo looks like it may have a drop of something dried up on it . anything can happen to the coins over the years. If this was to happen to be a real mint error the only thing I can think of it could be would be one heck of a die dent.

 

rascal: "RTY" actually go over the extra metal, not sink in the metal. In back of coin, no sign of cave-in as it's flat. I guess sent it to Wexler to confirm the error.

 

I hope you have a good coin here but it sure looks like dried glue to me. keep us informed as to what John says about your coin. mostlikey whatever is wrong on the bottom part of Lincoln's shouldre is the same thing as the lump on RTY of liberty.I was thinking it may be a huge die dent but have ruled that out , for something to dent the die this much would have destroyed the RTY letters.