Countefeit PCGS-Slabbed 1879-CC and 1895-S Morgans on eBay! Seriously!...

So should we instruct our troops to take out all of the plants producing fake Apple products as well? Let's just start sending our nukes to just blow up China altogether.

China produces a lot of things, a lot of counterfeits and most of the crap you buy that's legit. Try and find something that isn't "Made in China". But first, I think it's time to start growing up and start thinking before you speak, you're only making yourself look worse with every response you make.

 

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My point is this...

After all the bloodshed in those countries...they have not come over here and did anything (besides 9/11).

I don't mean a suicide bomber...I mean them coming over in a ship and launching missiles at our cost.

 

I doubt China has a specific law stating that it's illegal for them to produce U.S. coinage. To my knowledge, our laws do not have jurisdiction over China. You still have much to learn young grasshopper! :yes:

 

Terrorists aren't organized countries with a any type of defense of such capabilities. Think before speaking please! Your point is still invalid and mute at this point. You are lousy at debating.

 

Please Detecto... educate yourself before making any more ridiculous statements.

 

And exactly how many "ships" and "missiles" do you think Afghanistan had? I'm looking out my window right now and don't see any... just mountains.. Maybe before you type something so ignorant... you should look at a map and maybe just google the counties you are talking about.

 

wow.. I just realized that you think a war with china would have the same results as a war with Iraq and a war in Afghanistan. You sir.. are one of the main reasons my kids will NOT be attending public schools...

 

It's not just that, but we are not actually at war with Afghanistan or it's government/defense. We are fighting the terrorists there, which is why I pointed out that no terrorist group likely has an established "Army" or "Defense" like he's claiming they have.

 

Now don't go blaming public schools, I know plenty of kids with good heads on their shoulders who go to public schools. Don't need to stereotype everyone else based on one person's response, that's being just as careless with one's response. No pun intended of course.

 

I know, my point was that Afghanistan is a completely land locked country. They have no ships! Any "missiles" they had were used years ago to fight the Russians and they were supplied by the U.S.
They do have plenty of rockets and mortars though.... You would have though that the insurgency would have ran out of them by now...

 

You are correct, but listing all of the reason my kids will be homeschooling (both me and my wife were as well) would go into politics and religion... something I don't want to do on a coin forum nor is it aloud. I should state that I too know many level headed intelligent people who went to public schools...

 

Folks don't buy or sell on ebay , no buyers no ebay , its simple. These fakes will only be profit makers if folks buy them , stop buying, no more market. :dead-horse:

 

Get used to the idea of a suicide bomber. Terrorists are the new army. It could be anyone, anytime, anywhere. It could be your best friend, your neighbour or your Uncle Ed. It could happen at the mall, at a restaurant, at the theater or in your school. The war of today is being fought without enemy lines. This is the new generation of combat. This ain't your grand daddy's war!

 

Where do you keep getting this "war" stuff from?

Do you really think that if we go over there and shut down these operations, that China will wage an all-out war against us? Complete with Warships, ICBMs, etc?

Do you really think they would cause a Nuclear Winter over something as minor as that?

Do you have ANY comprehension of how costly that would be?

For the last time, I am NOT talking about going to war with China. I am talking about sending people over there to shut them down.

Destroying the counterfeiting machines.
Confiscating and destroying the dies.

If you really think China would declare war against us for doing that, then you are sadly mistaken.

It would be a Military Operation.

From Wikipedia:
Military operation is the coordinated military actions of a state in response to a developing situation.

This would simply be a non-combative military operation.

It would NOT be war.

...and let me make this PERFECTLY clear. While the scope of the Chinese Counterfeiting is not yet severe enough to involve military action.....if it does "get out of control", this will be the one and ONLY option to stop it...mark my words.


...and whoever thinks that counterfeiting is "legitimate".

Read here:
http://www.inta.org/TrademarkBasics/FactSheets/Pages/Counterfeiting.aspx

Counterfeiting is NOT legitimate, it is theft, plain and simple.

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Yup, it can be anyone and at anytime for sure. Don't even expect it to be someone from the middle east either because before 9/11, those who have already forgotten should remember the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil was by a Army Veteran Catholic white boy named Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City back in 1995.

 

While no one was looking, eBay removed the listings. They are totally gone.

BTW, "Do you really think that if we go over there and shut down these operations, that China will wage an all-out war against us? Complete with Warships, ICBMs, etc? - YES ABSOLUTELY! and in a flash. What you do not realize is that our rule do not govern other countries just like their rules do not govern us. Otherwise, you wife/mother would not vote and it would be legal for you to beat her.

 

If the US has the right to walk in troops to a foreign country and destroy property, does that mean China has the right to send in troops to destroy all the Panda Express restaurants for making counterfeit Chinese food?

I'm really baffled that someone thinks China would be ok with that, let it slide... I cannot imagine how it would actually happen. Would the president tell the Chinese government beforehand, "Hey, don't worry, these soldiers we're sending into your country without your permission aren't part of a military action. We're just going to destroy some of your country and we'll be out. No conflict!" Would the soldiers just show up and expect the Chinese to ask what they were doing before shooting?

Maybe you're thinking of this in terms of covert CIA/special forces operations on drug manufacturing in central/south america? That's a very very different situation.

 

Any military action that you speak of that is not approved by the Chinese (which it likely never would be since it's not illegal in that country) would be deemed as an act of war against their country.

Do we want China to come into our country to take action against our civilians if we are breaking Chinese laws? Probably not and never.

Better not to push their buttons, we do already owe them a lot of money from the debts they own of ours.

Do you realize how costly it would be to send our guys over there just to try and stop counterfeiters? The cost would likely outweigh the cost of the counterfeits being produced and sent here, etc.

Which could be deemed as an act of war. Do we allow Chinese officials to enter our country because our people might talk about their leaders (which by the way is against their laws) but yet we have freedom of speech here while they don't? Again, think before you talk.

It's doesn't matter if we went to confiscate or destroy illegally made furbies, China is not our jurisdiction to enforce our laws in. Same applies here, they are not allowed to just "enter" our country to stop those breaking their laws. Do you realize how ignorant you sound with what you're trying to justify in stopping counterfeiting?

Which tells China that it's an act of war.

Because we surprise them? Japan surprised us at Pearl Harbor, they could have claimed it was a non-combative military operation since we didn't know they were coming either.

Not until China then declares war because we engaged within their country or jurisdiction.

It will never get out of control where we need to spend millions or more to stop them while possibly starting a war with another country that could lead to billions of dollars lost and thousands of lives lost. Again, do not ever run for public office, you fail miserably at foreign policy and clearly have no idea of how laws work on an international level.

I have the freedom of speech here, but in China I do not. So, does China's law trump our laws? Your argument is still mute at this point and what you're trying to justify as to invade a country as a "military operation" would conclude to being an act of war to most nations. No one isn't saying counterfeiting isn't theft or against the law, but other nations enforce their own laws they have jurisdiction over.

Simply put, you can't just invade a country to tell them you're enforcing your own laws onto their citizens. So just stop already, the more you try to justify this, the dumber you make yourself look.​

 

I think the only government that should have control over counterfeiting activities is their own. The Chinese government is also against that practice in their own country, which is why companies like PCGS have a homebase in their country right now. As a request of the collectors and government. I think honestly, we should concentrate on outlawing and catching our own suspect counterfeiting cartels in our country before we go pointing fingers at other countries. In the grand scheme of things, there are people living here that are just as guilty for doing the same things that Chinese criminals do to Morgans and Trade dollars. Unless you like passing the occasional fake $20? Take it from someone who manages large amounts of money on a weekly basis, we have our own problems boy-o.

 

I suppose that is one way to fight it. Most Chinese packages coming in the US are marked. So if one said something like "antique imitation coins"....we could inspect the package, and destroy them if they are in fact counterfeits without a "copy" mark.

What still baffles me is how well the Chinese made their coin dies.