Morgan Help

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by RedRaider, Apr 16, 2012.

  1. RedRaider

    RedRaider Well-Known Member

    Hi everyone,

    If you have read any of my posts, you can tell I am a cent enthusiast. I need your help with grading the Morgan below, as I have no experience with Morgans. I was visiting my grandma in Ohio this week and knowing that I have started to collect, she pulled out her 3 boxes of coins that her dad left her.

    She has quite a collection that would have taken me the better part of two days to catalog and identify, but a few Morgans stood out amongst them all all and I came home with two of them to send off for grading. Both were 1881-O S1$'s. The better one is the one pictured below. There are very few marks and the obverse picture shows something going on on the lip, which is not there when looking at it under a loop. For some reason it only shows up in pictures. The obverse toning is hard to capture, but it is a rose/orange color which fades to a light green/blue in the lower hair curls.

    I did some research and found out that the New Orleans Silver dollars often show a weak strike due to extended die usage, but this coin looked phenomenal to the naked eye. Let me know what you think I should insure this bad boy for. Thanks,

    RR

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  3. snapsalot

    snapsalot Member

    reverse looks cleaned
     
  4. RedRaider

    RedRaider Well-Known Member

    Just out of curiosity, why does it look cleaned?

    It is blast white and highly lustrous. I can try to take some other pictures. I took one with my digital scope, but its not meant to take pictures that far away....just a different picture to work with.

    Here is a closeup of the lips though. Looks like streaks of toning under the scope.

    Thanks!

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  5. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    I don't think so. Its a New Orleans PL reverse, i think.

    Ruben
     
  6. snapsalot

    snapsalot Member

    look to the right of the eagle, that part is cleaned.
     
  7. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    :) - I can't see that. In fact, whited out by light. Needs another picture. Just don't melt it.
     
  8. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    You mean under the wing? Is it slabbed?
     
  9. RedRaider

    RedRaider Well-Known Member

    No it is not slabbed. Its been sitting in a shoebox in a roll for the since before 1969 when my great grandfather passed away.

    here are some more reverse pics. Hope they help. Thanks for the input.

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  10. AdamL

    AdamL Well-Known Member

    No. It is not slabbed. He is considering sending it in for grading, if I understood correctly. I think it would be quite a gamble. It would have to be at least MS64 to come close to being worth the cost of certification. And although it has a shot, I would call it MS63, and probably cleaned. The marks on the left side of the obverse and right side of the reverse just don't look like normal bag marks to me. I'm guessing a TPG would bodybag this one.
     
  11. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

  12. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    Alright. Maybe I'm wrong.
     
  13. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I'd say it's a 63, not worth getting graded. I think it would grade. But I do agree there is a chance it would not.

    No, it isn't. Those are just contact marks - very short, light scratches.
     
  15. blu62vette

    blu62vette Member

    Don't fall for the weak strike theory. 1881-O's come fully struck and georgeous. There was a bag found that produced severa hundred DMPL and PL's a while back. Very common to be PL/DMPL.
     
  16. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    I have to agree with the others on this. It's a 63 on a good day and I don't see it grading higher than that and certainly not worth the cost to submit it, and we all could get a surprise if it came back as a 62, which is possible as well.

    It would look nice in an album or 2x2.
     
  17. RedRaider

    RedRaider Well-Known Member

    Hi Everyone,

    Just to give an update on this one....NGC just posted the grade of MS64* yesterday. I was surprised with the grade myself. I used a freebie grading service with my renewed membership, so there was no harm in sending it in. It was the first Morgan I have ever submitted, so it was a learning experience more than anything for me. Its going to be sent back to my Grandma.....maybe one day she will give it to me!
     
  18. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Congratulations! It's really a nice looking coin. It probably got the star (*) for the toning.

    Chris
     
  19. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Nice coin, and I would have said 63 before reading that NGC graded it as a 64. Could have gone either way--decent but not super stike--that date does not always come "well struck." I have owned two that were high grade, but borderline strikes.
     
  20. icerain

    icerain Mastir spellyr

    Good grade, and the coins has good eye appeal too.
     
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