Daniel Carr

We all had too much chocolate Peter........

 

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Chris you're right in that there is a difference being discussed, though it's not a difference of two opinions. In my comments I have not voiced my opinion about DCs work, rather I have defended his work when inaccurate and less informed opinions could use a helping of the facts. You may derive my feelings about DCs work from my support of his work and from my offering correction of the facts regarding his work, but I have not voiced an opinion on the topic. In fact, I find opinions useless as they are no more valid than the next guys. The facts being presented are offered to those who wager only their opinions and don't stop to clarify or understand, casting opinionated posts that only serve to mislead other readers. For those comments invariably we see things like IMO/my2¢ tacked to the end of such casual statements to dismiss responsibly seeing to the facts. It's that CYA thing people like to put on their opinions that may involve passing judgement, such as when they suggest DC is a counterfeiter, knock-off artist or something else than reputable.

It's certainly okay to discuss things I'm sure, but I prefer the facts to opinions. Please understand this and you may understand why I respond to the degree I tend to in my posts. I am not mad, angered, upset nor wish to draw the attention on my self in any way. Calling me to that only serves to sidetrack the topic of the threads intended discussion. I have struggled to keep people talking about the topic of Carr's work, not about the personalities of the members attending this thread. I suggest we stay on topic, even if we disagree along the way and maintain disagreement not about one another but about the thread topic. It is unfortunate that this very thread was borne out of someone's frustration in another thread, which they left to initiate this one to prove their own opinion was correct by a majority vote, which subsequently has backfired in the poll posted.

 

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For the record, I never once said I thought they were counterfeits.

I find the continuation of the US series with "non-existing" year coin to be pieces created for two reasons: 1) As curiosities for people, and 2) to make money. Mr. Carr has no intellectual property or artistic involvement in these designs other than copying the US Government's designs and changing the dates. His "unique" and "clever" slight changes are to avoid prosecution, not some artistic genius.

Mr. Carr's other pieces, like for example the Ameros pieces, are quite artistic. I will state that for the record I consider him a very talented artist at heart. But, again, in my personal collecting I find these to be trinkets manipulated in mintage to the benefit of Mr. Carr financially. In addition, I find it unfortunate that the US Mint has not adopted some of Mr. Carr's designs, as they are far more beautiful than some of the current series designs.

On an aside, it made me chuckle to be accused of a "diatribe" for my original 5-sentence reply. And, all the more funny was that this accusation came in a six-paragraph, insulting, and ad-hominem rant. If anyone wants to collect the pieces of Mr. Carr, then that is their prerogative. That in no way means that others have to agree with them or justify their dislike of the items. That's the premise of an opinion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion

 

Fantasy pieces. Top quality novelties.

 

Does anyone know if Mr. Carr has been "interviewed" by Treasury agents?

Up until 1960, they would have considered his US coin copies to be counterfeits, but the Treasury Dept. changed the rules then to allow some copying of US money.

 

Even if someone did know, I don't think it is anyone's business unless Mr. Carr chooses to divulge it.

Chris

 

I should think that the Department of Treasury knows a fair amount about him as he has been under their employ, on the payroll and even purchased decommissioned equipment from them to pursue the very business we are here discussing.

 

"For the record" you suggested a wish that counterfeiters would ruin another man's legitimate business. You even cited the "Chinese", which is something I tried to point out to TheCoinGeezer in another thread is all too often regarded as the sole criminal element behind all of modern counterfeiting, a gross generalization that I liken to xenophobia. It seems your latest comment here meets the approval of that minority in this thread who remain equally and perpetually confused about this topic.

 

The other thread was drifting WAY off-topic (Ikes), so I started this thread, not out of frustration as you erroneously inferred, but to see what people thought.
My own vote was "not sure" and I'm still "not sure".
I never voiced an opinion as to the legitimacy of Mr. Carr's work, as you once again erroneously inferred.
Krispy, you have to learn that "liking" a post doesn't necessarily mean a person is in total agreement with its sentiments.
But don't let facts get in the way of a good rant!

 

I could have been wrong to suggest your were frustrated but then you have had me blocked and haven't posted to correct what impression you left me with, till now. The problem with "like" is that its very ambiguous and as you can see, hasn't served you much good when others take notice of what you like (agreed) with having been posted by others.

Thank you for removing the ignore to post again and clarify what you have as well to express how you voted. I appreciate that very much.

 

You're welcome.
I "like" posts for a variety of reasons, granted agreement is one of them, but sometimes I just get a chuckle out of them or find some other point of interest in it.

 

Hey, hey.......sensing the love here.......c'mon everyone, group hug..........

 

Refer to previous link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion

 

Thanks for posting that fret... I just ordered mine also. I wish I could afford more than one; seventy-five bucks is a bargain in my opinion, and if history is any indication, these will be selling for double that on eBay.

 

It is an Easter miracle. :hug: :smile. TC

 

I liked brg's post for his comment about opinions. But thanks for speaking for me and calling me confused on the topic. Please leave me out of your attacks as I have not attacked you.

 

Just for the record, and it is not an "opinion" as defined solely as something that is spewed out without any forethought or substantiation as it were, nor is it reasoned out with preliminary research to make sure that all the possible "facts" can be gathered, gone through, correlated and analyzed, as well as soliciting opposing thoughts and facts and listing a set of pros and cons for the "opinion" to be weighed as valid or not. But a "like" button can be used for many reasons, only one being that you fully agree or concur with each and every thing that was stated in the "liked" post. It can and is, based on other peoples comments here, be used simply to signal that someone got a chuckle out of it, or for other reasons. And those are not just "opinions" but facts as each and every person knows it to be based on their own uses and predilections, and whether they think they should use the like button or not.

You, however, may be using the "like" button to solely indicate that you are in full and complete agreement with the sentiments expressed by the original poster of the "liked" post, but that doesn't mean that your interpretation of what it means when someone has "liked" a post needs to be the one and only truth as to what a "like" means.

 

As I said before "liking" a post for one reason, isn't always the one that it's being interpreted for as the action is very ambiguous to the public who sees the 'like' appear there, particularly so when you have "liked" a post that originated with a member's confused suggestion that wished counterfeiters would ruin another man's legitimate business. That "like" of yours as a tagger on to that members posts appeared to make you complicit and in like agreement with all his statements leading up to that point. Whatever your original intention, under the greater topic of this thread, your liking didn't communicate well enough, till now.