What's wrong w/ this NGC slab?

The Third picture shows where the person made the incision (sp?)

edit: Double checking the prices of a 20-p in MS64/65 and the price I paid is 3x-5x what I paid..I only paid $40. I have a feeling that NGC may have said it was cleaned w/ UNC details. If it was it is hard for me to see.

 

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I would have to see the thing in hand, but my first take is that is an authentic NGC slab that someone has altered. I do not know if or how they changed the coin though.

 

That is an obvious fake slab, I have seen some of these coming out of China lately. Most of the time, the coin is fake. In this case, the coin is just not rare enough to fake, but deception of grade is likely the goal. Although this looks like a genuine MS-64 RB, I wouldn't be surprised if it was actually a burnished AU-58.

This one is a poor example of a fake NGC slab, but I have seen some really good ones that have fooled even experienced dealers. The tell tale clue is the word numismatic misspelled in the hologram. Always take a close look at the coin no matter what the slab. Trading "sight-unseen" sadly is a thing of the past.

Kirk

 

I have to look at that slab again...now I gotta find what my son did with it. I am not sure if it was burnished bc it still has the cartwheel effect to it. I would think (assuming here and we know what that does) that if it was cleaned in any way that the coin wouldnt be able to show the cartwheel

 

BTW the Numismatic is spelled correctly. I looked everything over twice and all smells spelled correctly.

 

Photographs of holograms are hard to read. How does that one look compared to the real thing?

 

I just think that someone was very unhappy with the grade it was given and out of anger just opened the slab and changed the label.,,, I some times get coins back from NGC that was put in backwards and that really pis-me-of and one that I got from PCGS is also backwards and I just want to open them up and turn them the right way,,,,because between the cost of mailing them back to the TPG's ,,,I only mail the coins Registered,,,,, it not worth the hasselllllll. I think this is whats going on here with your slab,,,,,,,If your keeping the coin,,,I would just take the coin out and put it in a flip and be done with it.

 

RLM, coming to others it looks identical. Iceman, I did put it in 2x2. I am just curious if I should go send it in bc it could end up in my favor especially if it get's an MS65...or not.

 

A poor attempt? Think about what makes more sense. Someone carefully opening a genuine NGC slab, removing the original label (for whatever reason) and resealing it or someone taking the time to acquire a quality counterfeit the slab and hologram, only to decide to use that ridiculous label? It is very hard for me to believe that anyone who put this much effort into faking the rest of the slab would be too lazy to even attempt to reproduce an NGC label.

Also, in reference to the post about the spelling of "numismatic", I believe the gentleman was talking about the counterfeiting of an earlier style NGC holder. If memory suits me correctly, on the PNG logo, "numismatists" was spelled "nunismatists".


Shoe,

If you still have the slab remains, please PM me.

 

A 65 RB is kind of marginal for grading. You best be pretty sure of it. I still have not seen a close enough picture for me to grade it by.

 

Before sending the coin to a TPG,,,,,I would show the coin to some other coin collectors or dealers to see if its worth the expense,,,,,,if so , go for it. Either way I wish you luck

 

I say report that and who you bought it from, NCG on reverse and a label that isn't even close to real if it is INSIDE the sealed holder. Still a nice coin but WHY?